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Butch(OH)

10-05-2005 12:16:17

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I finaly have the time and materials (I think) to build a good wood splitter meaning one with plenty of power and handy. Have the power part in hand with a lift cylinder from a small loader, about 5" bore x 36" stroke. Have a pump and plan to run it from tractor PTO so power will not be a problem. Need help with the handy part. I have some small cylinders and valves laying around, plenty of steel and a big lathe and mill. If you had componants and just had to reach in the rack and pluck some steel to get started how would you guys build your dream splitter? Thinking about a horizonal only beam with a lifter but??

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youngster

10-09-2005 20:55:56

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Re: Dream wood splitter help in reply to Butch(OH), 10-05-2005 12:16:17

if i was gonna make my dream log splitter it would have a fast cycle so you didnt have a long down time and yeah it would ber a vertical one so i dont have to lift the logs. just my thoughts

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carol Martin

10-06-2005 10:34:44

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Re: Dream wood splitter help in reply to Butch(OH), 10-05-2005 12:16:17

Hi Link did not work here is the link should work;

http://www.picturehosting.com/gallery.php?u=carmar007&g=log-splitter

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mike brown

10-06-2005 11:43:58

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Re: Dream wood splitter help in reply to carol Martin, 10-06-2005 10:34:44

Dream wood splitter? Daughter's boyfriend. If he's doing my daughter he should be splitting my wood.

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Carol Martin

10-06-2005 10:24:47

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Re: Dream wood splitter help in reply to Butch(OH), 10-05-2005 12:16:17

Hi: Here are some pics of my splitter, with log lift it is simple and works really slick.just wish I could get the logs to roll themselves onto the arms.. mostly I just roll them on with my foot..

Carol

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JL Sargent

10-06-2005 07:29:41

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Re: Dream wood splitter help in reply to Butch(OH), 10-05-2005 12:16:17

I built one 8yrs old now. 3pt. mount to tractor. Runs off tractors hydraulics. Its a vertical splitter which mounts to the center of a log rack which has the three point hitch. Split wood, throw on rack, take to where ever you want it. TIP: Make main spitting column out of heavy wall tubing, not an I beam. Beams are too prone to twisting. If you get into some mountain hickory with a spiraling grain youll see what I mean. If tractor has an open center hydraulic system you can daisy chain the splitter with say a front end loader. I just split a 110 year old red oak making 3 cords of wood. Can you imagine splitting that all by hand. I can. It would make your supper taste real good.

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PaMike

10-07-2005 09:27:49

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Re: Dream wood splitter help in reply to JL Sargent, 10-06-2005 07:29:41

I am with him on the I beam. I built mine from an I beam, and I had to weld braces in. The cylinder would twist that beam like you wouldnt believe.

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Matt Page

10-06-2005 06:55:42

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Re: Dream wood splitter help in reply to Butch(OH), 10-05-2005 12:16:17

Best one I ever saw was horizontal, towed with a trailer hitch, and had an offset axle that let it adjust its height. The best part was that it had a long cylinder mounted underneath the splitting table, on top was a two sided spliter; it split going and coming. Split one log while someone layed one on the other side, split that one while some layed another on the first side. One or two people could use it, or it would keep a crew going as fast as they could lay it up there. Disadvantage was in the horizontal part, where you had to pick up the chunks to get them on. Matt.

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Butch(OH)

10-06-2005 04:48:30

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Re: Dream wood splitter help in reply to Butch(OH), 10-05-2005 12:16:17

Thanks for posts so far, idea for oil tank is good one as is moving the wedge instead of the block for easier resplitting. Thanks guys! As for some of the questions, 36" cylinder? because it was free. Slower? not if it is only stroked the distance needed is it? Pump calculation was done by a pump shop, full 36" stroke one way will be around 6 seconds. It is a Cessna gear pump of fairly large displacement, it is about 5" across with a gear section of maybe and inch or so with 1" npt inlet and outlets (also freebie). I plan to build a jackshaft and chain drive arrangement so that the tractor can be just off idle and drive the pump at recomeded RPMs. Why drive with tractor instead of small engine? I own 9 tractors with PTO and no engines big enough to drive the pump AND it makes it easier to say NO! when somebody wants to borrow the dang splitter, "gotta have a tractor to run it" LOL. This will be my second splitter build up. First one was done too quick with too little money, not enough power and not handy enough to suit me. Just looking for ideas like the tank and wedge, and basic design ideas realy appreciate the responces.

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Vern-MI

10-06-2005 06:37:21

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Re: Dream wood splitter help in reply to Butch(OH), 10-06-2005 04:48:30

Wow, I just have to ask. Do you know what drove that pump and what did it power on the Cessna?

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Farmered

10-06-2005 07:07:02

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Re: Dream wood splitter help in reply to Vern-MI, 10-06-2005 06:37:21

Cessna used hydraulics to power the elevators to help get an overloaded plane off the ground in heavy weather. The pump was driven from the right wheel. The pump stopped if the wheel ever left the ground. That was OK because hydraulic assist was not necessary after take off. The resulting crashes were always attributed to "pilot error" Ed

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Butch(OH)

10-06-2005 07:23:13

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Re: Dream wood splitter help in reply to Farmered, 10-06-2005 07:07:02

Well I"ll be hanged. The pump was in Dad"s collection of stuff and he had told me it was a landing gear pump. I always figured that he meant it was used to power the gear up and down. Thanks for that info.

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Vern-MI

10-08-2005 04:56:18

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Re: Dream wood splitter help in reply to Butch(OH), 10-06-2005 07:23:13

Sorry I asked that question.

It appears that there is a Cessna Gear pump manufacturer that produces pumps similar to Eaton, Webster, Danfoss, Vickers, Ross and other gear pumps. Nothing to do with the Cessna plane.

Cessna pumps

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farmered

10-07-2005 21:48:04

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Re: Dream wood splitter help in reply to Butch(OH), 10-06-2005 07:23:13

Butch, I hope I didn't lead you far astray with my fiction. It was ment to be a spoof! The pump you have may well have been used to power landing gear on a plane. I do know that Cessna built hydraulic pumps for many different applications including farm equipment. The Cessna I owned didn't have any hydraulics and it flew around with its wheels hanging out in the wind. (152)
Ed

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sawtooth

10-06-2005 01:49:28

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Re: Dream wood splitter help in reply to Butch(OH), 10-05-2005 12:16:17

I see some of the guys questioning some of your ideas a bit. One question I have is- what kind of a pump do you plan on running with your pto? Most tractor powered aux. pumps run off the engine crankshaft (the pump's running at the same rpm's as the engine). Otherwise you're probably going to need a pump with a special drive to increase rpm's or it will put out slow. (a new pump could cost the price of a splitter) Are you sure you want to run a tractor engine for all the hours you use the splitter? I've helped build hydraulic motor driven hiway mowers. The pumps are front mounted with a spline shaft going to the crank pulley (with an adaptor) and put out around 60 gallons a minute. That requires a large reservoir tank- the oil gets hot and at least 60 hp. Those would REALLY run a woodsplitter- but wouldn't be practical for a one man operation. Why not stick to a small engine with a 14 to 17 gpm pump. Also why the extra long cylinder if you can't burn wood that long. And I like the wedge moving so you don't have to drag wood back for the consecutive splits. The closest to being a "dream" splitter I've seen are the ones you load long log sections on a conveyor with a front loader, the conveyor drops those one at a time on a cross conveyor where a hydraulic driven chain saw bar cuts pieces to length, the piece drops a few inches to the splitter with multiple wedges and is split without being touched by hand to another conveyor that drops them on your truck. (there's one of these at a sawmill in our area, I wonder if the dream becomes a nightmare if it hits wood with really bad knots)

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Dennis in Wisconsin

10-05-2005 20:14:50

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Re: Dream wood splitter help in reply to Butch(OH), 10-05-2005 12:16:17

If you are going to burn 34 inch logs the 3 foot cyl is good but if your going to burn 20 logs inch you might be sorry you have a 3 foot cyl. With your tractor as power source and a 5 inch diameter cyl it might be slower than molasses in january. Matching the pump to the motor is a big thing when you only have 540 rpm. I made a few splitters and my first one was junk compared to the one I made last. 20 inch stroke 4 inch bore 14 gpm pump 6.5 horse motor The only wood that gives me trouble is elm and we don*t have much of that mostly oak here. If I can help in any way let me know. good luck and have fun Dennis

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NC Wayne

10-05-2005 19:40:28

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Re: Dream wood splitter help in reply to Butch(OH), 10-05-2005 12:16:17

You'd love to see the one a customer of ours built. He started out with an extremely heavy (flanges are like 1 1/2" thick) I-beam about 36" tall. On the end he welded the wedge that's about 48" tall. Then it's got two 5" cylinders that get their juice from the power unit on one of his log trucks. For loading he uses the log loader on another truck since the pieces he's splitting are in the neighborhood of 12'+ long and often in the range of 60"+ in diameter. With this splitter he can get the logs split into small enough pieces to for him to then put on his processer and let it finish the splitting to get them to actual firewood sized pieces. It's a massive splitter but he says he's seen one bigger than his.

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Johnski

10-05-2005 19:33:32

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Re: Dream wood splitter help in reply to Butch(OH), 10-05-2005 12:16:17

My dream wood splitter would be about 5 foot 5, 38,24,36 and 130 lbs. She would also own a bass boat. ;>)

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LeMaverick

10-05-2005 22:06:32

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I have almost that exact model in reply to Johnski, 10-05-2005 19:33:32

My wood splitter really is 5'7", 135#, very attractive, works right with me on the firewood (and everything else), uses chainsaw, splits with a maul better than most men.

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Bus Driver

10-05-2005 16:26:02

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Re: Dream wood splitter help in reply to Butch(OH), 10-05-2005 12:16:17

I built mine horizontal. Lifts on the 3-point and the pumpp is driven from the PTO. My beam will drop below horizontal, such as into a ditch, to make it easier to roll heavy pieces onto the beam. I have split pieces up to 52" diameter, which is the largest I can saw. Read up on pump suction hoses/pipes. I have seen lots of homemade outfits that are starving the pump. My pump suction is 1 1/4", the output is 3/4".

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Eric Stevens

10-05-2005 18:44:00

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Re: Dream wood splitter help in reply to Bus Driver, 10-05-2005 16:26:02

used an old propane tank for hydraulic resivor. Can take pics if you'd like.

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dr.sportster

10-05-2005 15:30:50

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Re: Dream wood splitter help in reply to Butch(OH), 10-05-2005 12:16:17

I say go vertical.I dont see how guys even get pieces up on a horizontal.Most of the large ones Ive done I can hardly jockey into place on the vertical let alone lift up off the ground and onto a horizontal.

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jfp

10-05-2005 14:21:18

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Re: Dream wood splitter help in reply to Butch(OH), 10-05-2005 12:16:17

I don't know what kind of tractor hitch you got as that would determine how I would make it. I made one 3pt hitch. Started with a platform 4X4 5/16 steel and built up. I mounted the cyclinder vertical so I could split big sticks without lifting them. I'd just roll one on the plate if it was too big to flip. Cyclinder was stationary with wedge on the end. Used angle iron for braces and a reinforced bottom not to mention a hole at the rear center to hook a trailer up to. Wish I had a picture of it as I quit burning wood a few years ago then sold it. What ever you come up with, make it so that you do as little lifting as possible. LOL

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Redd

10-05-2005 13:12:07

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Re: Dream wood splitter help in reply to Butch(OH), 10-05-2005 12:16:17

I hope you get some good ideas. You and I are on the same path, except I have a nice Cub 4 cyl I was planning on using. The best concept for a lifter I can come up with is a swinging up patform or "tray" on one side of the beam. Similar to what the bandsaw mills use.Plate would work, be flat to ground, and hinge on underside of beam. If you use a little crane, which is what I originally planned, If you don't have some sort of outrigger, the splitter will tip when you lift a biggie. By the time winter comes in my area the only wood left will be the mankiller pieces that no one can lift. Others suggest moving the wedge on the cyl instead of the other way around, so your split halves don't have to be moved back for another shot and rest them on shelves on the sides of your beam so you don't have to pick them up again. And here your lifter would be one of those shelves while it is up. I was studying a "firewood processor" sold in Ohio, which had many of these features and more. It featured a 6 way wedge which powered up and down the end for log size. I don't remember the name.

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