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Ford Man

10-03-2005 08:26:36




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A co-worker has a pop-up camper that has problems with the lights and we cannot figure it out.

He has a 2003 Isuzu Rodeo that he is hooking up to.

Someone hooked up the wiring using one of those adapters that taps into your brake lights and uses a 7 pole plug and it has never worked properly.He does not have trailer brakes or backup lights so only the turn signals , running lights and brake lights are hooked up.

I plugged the trailer into my Chevy truck and everything worked fine but if we hook up to the Isuzu the left brake light and left turn signal do not work . The left tail light does.It is a 2 filament bulb .

He used to have very week left brake light.

I have checked current at the plug and there is juice there when he puts on the brakes so it should light the bulb but it does not. It was a little week though (around 8-10 volts ).Of course , I did not pay any attention to the rest to see what they checked .

Someone suggested using a heavy duty flasher on the car to boost the output but we cannot find one through NAPA or Isuzu.

Any thoughts ?

Thanks !
Ford Man

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Galen

10-05-2005 03:29:53




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 Re: Trailer Light Problem in reply to Ford Man, 10-03-2005 08:26:36  
OK - I can't really help with your light problem - but I got a stupid question. Why, if your handle is "Ford Mann", do you have a Chevy pickup? 8^)



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Hermit

10-03-2005 17:35:22




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 Re: Trailer Light Problem in reply to Ford Man, 10-03-2005 08:26:36  
Remember that trailers can have 2 different kinds of wiring setups. RV or horse trailers. And the plug on the truck might be setup for one trailer type or the other. Some adaptors can be converted for use on either type by moving wires in the adaptor to different pins. You might want to check that your adaptor is properly wired for the trailer/truck wiring. There are several websites showing the different types of trailer/truck wiring setups and how to change the adaptor.

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Ralph - Ohio

10-03-2005 17:04:34




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 Re: Trailer Light Problem in reply to Ford Man, 10-03-2005 08:26:36  
Here's a scenario that might fit:

Left brake/turn signal light socket is not grounded well to the ground wire in the trailer wiring harness. But it is grounded to the steel frame of the trailer possibly through the light fixture mounting bolts.

Chevy truck hitch ball is well grounded to truck body so light works when hooked to Chevy getting it's ground through the hitch. Isuzu hitch ball may not be well grounded to the truck body so light doesn't work.

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mike brown

10-03-2005 16:27:17




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 Re: Trailer Light Problem in reply to Ford Man, 10-03-2005 08:26:36  
Does the Isuzu have amber turn signals and red brake lights? If so you need one of those adaptor boxes that combines brake and turn signal functions to make the truck compatatble with the trailer lights which are usually brake/ turn on the same filiment.



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Charles (in GA)

10-03-2005 16:46:57




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 Re: Trailer Light Problem in reply to mike brown, 10-03-2005 16:27:17  
I kinda do think this has the seperated turn and brake lights. It might just have a interface box installed, and it might just be defective, since the RH side works OK.

Charles



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MAC,IL

10-03-2005 14:33:59




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 Re: Trailer Light Problem in reply to Ford Man, 10-03-2005 08:26:36  
SOmetimes you think you got ground, sometimes it looks grounded. I'd do a Double check in that area.



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RustyFarmall

10-03-2005 10:28:45




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 Re: Trailer Light Problem in reply to Ford Man, 10-03-2005 08:26:36  
Sounds like a classic example of a very poor or non-existant ground.



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JMS/MN

10-03-2005 08:52:01




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 Re: Trailer Light Problem in reply to Ford Man, 10-03-2005 08:26:36  
Got ground? Often overlooked. Higher capacity flasher, like suggested, also a good idea.



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RandyB

10-03-2005 08:48:14




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 Re: Trailer Light Problem in reply to Ford Man, 10-03-2005 08:26:36  
You did not say if the right side works ok. If so it is not a flasher problem. It sounds like either the correct wires are not connected to the right pins or one of those tapped splices is not making proper contact. Try using a test light instead of a meter to check out the proper pin connections to his hitch. The link below shows the pin out and colors for the US vehicles but not Isuzu but a test light would confirm.

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Ford Man

10-03-2005 10:56:07




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 Re: Trailer Light Problem in reply to RandyB, 10-03-2005 08:48:14  
Thanks for the replies !

We do have a good ground and all of the other lights work fine with the trailer plugged in.

I did turn on the right turn signal and take a jumper wire from the car to the trailer and I could make the right turn signal blink and could also make the running lights blink by jumping over to different posts on the trailer plug. The strange thing is that I could not make the left brake/turn light blink like that.

I will have to check the voltage a little closer and see what I can find out .

Thanks Again !
Ford Man

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JMS/MN

10-03-2005 13:58:18




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 Re: Trailer Light Problem in reply to Ford Man, 10-03-2005 10:56:07  
I was being cheap when I suggested ground- meant both ends of system- not just trailer ground. If it is a single wire system oftentimes a light or two loses complete contact on the ground side and shows a bit of lite. Rusty lite socket does the same. Double wire system does not depend on grounding each fixture to the frame. Check fixture ground as well as trailer frame/pickup ground. Double wire back to the truck frame is most dependable.

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RandyB

10-03-2005 11:17:36




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 Re: Trailer Light Problem in reply to Ford Man, 10-03-2005 10:56:07  
I am not quite sure I understand what you mean by using a jumper wire? If the right works ok- forget the flasher as the right side load is no different from the left side load. Since the problem seems to be the left side then check wiring to pin 5 on the plug. Also on a long shot check the left side bulb on the trailer since the bulb may have lost it's ground although I don't know why it would have worked on your truck ok but a question I have is did you connect the tongue to your trailer or just the connection? Maybe a ground left light swap. Recheck all wiring.

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Ford Man

10-03-2005 13:22:20




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 Re: Trailer Light Problem in reply to RandyB, 10-03-2005 11:17:36  
What I did was to use a jumper wire inbetween the vehicle plug and the trailer plug. The plugs were not plugged together during this test.

I used one wire to get a ground and then the other wire was used to connect between the terminals from one plug to the other.

I hooked the wire to the right turn terminal on the vehicle and touched it to the right turn terminal on the trailer and the right tail light started blinking. I the touched it to the tail/running light terminal and the tail lights and running lights started blinking. When I touched it to the left turn/left brake light terminal nothing happened.It should have made the left side blink.

This was a pretty crude test but it showed me that there is a problem with the left side wiring on the trailer. We swapped bulbs from left to right and that made no difference. What really puzzles me is that the thing works perfectly when hooked to my Chevy!

Thanks for the input but unfortunately , I am still stumped !

Thanks Again !
Ford MAn

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RandyB

10-03-2005 13:44:28




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 Re: Trailer Light Problem in reply to Ford Man, 10-03-2005 13:22:20  
Ok I follow you now. Since you tried swaping bulbs and that did not help, It sounds like the left socket has a missing or poor ground connection. Check the ground wire is connected on that socket.



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RustyFarmall

10-03-2005 13:30:19




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 Re: Trailer Light Problem in reply to Ford Man, 10-03-2005 13:22:20  
If it works perfectly when hooked to your Chevy then the problem is not with the trailer. You need to be looking at the Isuzu.



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Ford Man

10-03-2005 19:50:25




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 Re: Trailer Light Problem in reply to RustyFarmall, 10-03-2005 13:30:19  
I idid not hook up the trailer ball when testing with the Chevy , just used the plugs.

Yes, the Isuzu has the amber turn signal light and someone installed one of those adapter boxes for the lights. They used scotchlocks to hook into the taillight wiring.

I am not too familiar with those boxes as none of my vehicles has ever needed one.

Thanks for all of the help !

Ford Man



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Ralph - Ohio

10-05-2005 06:39:14




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 Re: Trailer Light Problem in reply to Ford Man, 10-03-2005 19:50:25  
You said:

"I did not hook up the trailer ball when testing with the Chevy , just used the plugs."

AHA! Perhaps the wiring for the non-working light is shorted to the frame? Depending on how it's wired, not having the tongue connected to the vehicle may make a difference.



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