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Tools

01-29-2001 18:21:12




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Ok fine, so no one knows what the "Green Diamond" is. How about a few general questions about used air compressors.

1. As I said, the original motor was replaced with a single phase 3 HP. I imagine because the original was 3 phase, and probably bigger. Never seen a compressor with a 80gal tank less than 5 HP. Would using a smaller motor be a problem? What if it's not running at the specified RPM, is that a problem?

2. The pump is all cast iron, a good thing from what I've gathered on this forum. Are they generally rebuildable (it was built in the USA)? More importantly, how can you tell if it's bad?

3. Oh, by the way, the asking price is $400. I'll have a chance to hook it up and see it work before I buy. Let's say it is a 2 stage, light commercial quality compressor, how long should it take to pump a 80gal tank from nothing to 175 lbs? Most of the new compressors I've researched (in this clas) should pump about 13-16 CFM at 175 lbs. Since the motor is smaller, I figure it should take about 20-30 percent more time to do it than a new 5hp, 2 stage, 80gal tank compressor. Anyone in the mood to discharge theirs to let me know?


Any suggestions on other things to check would be well received!

Mike
Chickamauga, GA

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Franz

01-29-2001 23:07:15




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 Re: Air compressor question in reply to Tools, 01-29-2001 18:21:12  
First, why would you want to run 175#, it'll cost as much to get from 125 to 175 as it did to get to 125.
Most compressors that need rebuilding do so because of valve problems, and those are usually caused by sucking in filthy air. Look at the intake for signs of paint, it screws up compressors real quick.
Champion uses the same jug from 2hp single phase thru 10hp 3 phase, with the same 80 gallon tank. I never ran a comparison between 2 and 5 hp machines, but if you run 125# at shutoff, the time difference shouldn't be a lot. Biggest thing in used compressors tends to be tank problems, pull one of the plugs and check the inside of the tank.

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tools

01-30-2001 04:34:50




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 Re: Re: Air compressor question in reply to Franz, 01-29-2001 23:07:15  
More good stuff, thanks!



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Bertha

01-29-2001 20:47:23




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 Re: Air compressor question in reply to Tools, 01-29-2001 18:21:12  
I don't have any idea on the hp requirements but you better watch T_Bone and Russ. I was reading the other post on compressors and pvc pipe. They plumbed their pressure from the water well pump someways with plastic pipe.

They're having trouble with blowing out the pvc pipes and keeping water out of their quality air tools. They said something about putting a 6 foot drop in every 6 inches or something like that to keep the water out. That sure sounds like alot of elbow fittings for no more good than the water pressure will be..

On the plus side I bet they don't have to use soap or even take off their clothes to get clean in the shower with that much pressure to burst pipes. I bet when somebody fires off a 3/4 inch impact from that setup while they're in the shower it cuts down the pressure alots tho.

Watchout on truck load capacity info too cause T_Bone hooks his trailer to the drivers side door post somehow to the vehicle data plate.

Just be careful with the pvc pipe maybe we can get somemore info before you get that far along.

$400 does'nt seem to high for a good American made compressor. I saw on ebay where somebody bid $2000 for some cigars of President Clinton's, and they don't even know if Monica used it or not.

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T_bone

01-29-2001 19:40:17




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 Re: Air compressor question in reply to Tools, 01-29-2001 18:21:12  
Hi Mike,
1) take a amp reading of the motor and do not exceed the motor amp rating. Sure running a 3hp motor on a 5hp rated compressor will effect the running by having to run slower rpm to meet the amp rating of the smaller motor. The motor should have and adjustable sheave so the amps can be adjusted thru rpm.

2) Take a compression test or use the pressure gauge to maxmium psi at shut off. If it won't shut off then the compressor is worn. Sure there's always a way to rebuild a compressor. Is it cost effective is the answer.

3) I just bought a Ingersol Rand, 3hp, 60gal, 11.3cfm @ 135psi two stage, oil cooler, auto tank drain, auto low oil shut off, for $530 delivered from Northern Tools. How does it work? I can't tell you as it's still in it's packing create :) lol

If it's completely spotless like it has just been cleaned, could be hiding something wrong or a very neat person? I would rather see some dust and no oil leaks.

T_Bone

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tools

01-29-2001 21:13:59




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 Re: Re: Air compressor question in reply to T_bone, 01-29-2001 19:40:17  
Hey T_Bone,

Great comments, thanks. Just to be sure I understand, the compressor will be fine with the wrong motor, but the motor may not. Makes sense. It doesn't have an adjustable sheave, but that's an easy fix. If the compressor then runs too slow, it'll still make it's rated psi, just not as fast?

As for condition, looks like it's never been cleaned, was in service outdoors but covered, and is generally quite good.

Later,

Mike

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T_Bone

01-30-2001 10:44:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Air compressor question in reply to tools, 01-29-2001 21:13:59  
Hi Mike, Yep you got it. If the motor is not to proper size, then your cfm output of the compressor will be lower and the run time to shut off longer, providing it was installed correct. Only a Amp meter can determine that.

I would think a good 5hp ball bearing motor will cost $150

Let us know what you buy.

T_Bone



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Fred OH

01-30-2001 11:15:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Air compressor question in reply to T_Bone, 01-30-2001 10:44:27  
T_Bone, Better tell him to pump it up till it kicks off to test the hi-lo switch and then blow it off till it kicks back in to see if the smaller hp motor is pulleyed right and got enough starting torque for the job. Listen for an unloader doing it's thing. Also grab flywheel and rotate back and forth (quickly) and listen for slack in rod/piston assembly. L8R----Fred OH



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