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ntmcj

09-30-2005 19:04:55




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I am looking to purchase my first stick welder. Looking toward basic 220 volt 200+ amp ac/dc model. It will be used to do general repair work and maybe to rebuild a couple of older farm trailers. I've looked at Lincoln 225 and Hobart stick mate and am aware of one or two other manufacturers. I'm not that familiar with the manufacturers. The only ones I have ever used are very expensive Miller machines used in the welding shop next to where I work. Which would be best for a novice? Thanks

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ntmcj

10-01-2005 19:26:04




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 Re: welders? in reply to ntmcj, 09-30-2005 19:04:55  
Thanks for all the great advice guys. I shouldn't have a problem with outlets. The breaker here at home is a 60 amp from the dryer and at the old family farm, I am getting ready to run a sub-panel out to the barn. I mainly wanted to know if there were any inherent problems with either of the manufacturers that would be-devil a novice. Thanks again.



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Boley

10-01-2005 19:24:02




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 Re: welders? in reply to ntmcj, 09-30-2005 19:04:55  
From how I read your question,a Lincoln 125 or 135 wire feed welder using flux core wire will do the job.About $300. Welding with a wirefeed is about like coloring,a novice can do a workman like job easily if you apply yourself.Have a grinder handy,to make it look good and prepare the joint for welding.Stick welding takes practice no matter what machine used.These 115 volt wire welders work well with a good power supply up to 1/4"thick material.Just one opinion.

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Stan in Oly, WA

10-01-2005 18:13:32




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 Re: welders? in reply to ntmcj, 09-30-2005 19:04:55  
Hi,ntmcj

I have a Hobart Stickmate AC/DC which I bought new and a Lincoln AC buzzbox which I bought used. At one of the locations where I weld, my power supply is a dryer outlet on a 30 Amp breaker. Except at its lowest settings, the Lincoln will trip the breaker. The Hobart doesn't. At an outlet on a 50 Amp breaker, the machines work equally well at all settings.

Lincoln buzz boxes have fixed settings, the Stickmate has a dial. Fixed settings are less flexible but more secure--they won't start to creep as the machine gets older, as dial settings can.

Lincoln claims a 20% duty cycle at every setting. The Stickmate duty cycle increases as the amperage setting is reduced. The duty cycle is 100% at 100 Amps AC and 65 Amps DC. The Lincoln's actual duty cycle is probably closer to 100% at every setting, and the Hobart's may be too, for all I know. These are reputable companies, likely to err on the side of caution in their claims.

Lincoln's AC/DC version of my welder puts out 225A and 125A, respectively. The Hobart puts out 235 and 160. At the shop where I do most of my welding I sometimes use more than 125 Amps of DC current for surfacing, but I haven't yet built anything where I needed more than 125A DC.

As for AC versus DC, I think AC is underrated. If I only had an AC welder, I'd get by just fine. Use 6011 instead of 6010, and 6013 or 7014 in place of 7018, and it will be a long, long time before you're too good for the equipment.

All the best, Stan

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mecanik69

10-01-2005 16:43:58




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 Re: welders? in reply to ntmcj, 09-30-2005 19:04:55  
A Miller Thunderbolt would be a perfect choice for what you want to do. I am not sure but I think they still make that model. I tried to get on millers website but they must be having problems. You can try yourself though it is www.millerwelds.com.



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loko17

10-01-2005 12:26:03




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 Re: welders? in reply to ntmcj, 09-30-2005 19:04:55  
I don't think you can go wrong with a Miller, Lincoln or a Hobart. For a stick welder, AC/DC is a must (in my opinion). The best of all worlds is a "Stick, Mig, Tig as Charles mentioned but if money is a concern, at minimum I'd at least go for an AC/DC "stick machine". That's my 2C.



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dr.sportster

10-01-2005 11:47:42




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 Re: welders? in reply to ntmcj, 09-30-2005 19:04:55  
At some welding supply houses they have some machines available to try out before you buy.



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lucasss

10-01-2005 06:39:15




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 Re: welders? in reply to ntmcj, 09-30-2005 19:04:55  
i reccomend the linclon ac/dc. the ac will have power to weld heavy stuff, the dc will have fine adjustment and stable arc to weld thinner stuff. the plain ac225 is about 250.00 the acdc is about 350.00 .both have 3 year warranty. i have an old ac lincoln 225 and its 35 years old and still works and a ac/dc 225 thats 10 years old and still good. its alot better than the cheeper welders.i saw these welders at home depot the other day.the thing about a ac only welder is it gets difficult to weld thin stuff without burnng thru.if you dont do any thin stuff then ac only is fine lucas

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old

09-30-2005 20:26:36




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 Re: welders? in reply to ntmcj, 09-30-2005 19:04:55  
If I where you I'd get a good old Lincoln welder. There hard to beat and will last you and your kids life time if not more. I have had one for 10 plus years and it just keeps on keeping on. I have a good old AC buzz box in my shop and a lincoln portable that I use in the field and both work very well. The portable is around 30 plus years old and its only problem is that its a pull start and that is getting old but oh well its what I have and it works well

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Charles (in GA)

09-30-2005 19:25:47




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 Re: welders? in reply to ntmcj, 09-30-2005 19:04:55  
Spend the bucks and buy a stick welder that does AC and DC (straight and reverse) you will be much happier in the end than buying a cheap ole AC only welder.

A decently powerful MIG welder, such as a Miller 250 would also be a real good choice.

Better yet, get the MIG and a AC/DC-Stick/TIG unit, and you will have everything you could ever use.

Charles



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