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other Sam

09-27-2005 15:13:12




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In a previous post many of you said not to set poles in concrete because they would rot. How about pouring the concrete floor. Do you pour around the pole or leave a space? Do you pour deeper at the edge to prevent animals from burrowing under?




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PJW

10-01-2005 07:18:29




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 Re: Another Pole barn question in reply to other Sam, 09-27-2005 15:13:12  
Many make the mistake of using the wrong PT wood. For underground construction .06 retention is used. My lumber yards sell .04 retention for outdoor construction. .04 retention is not rated for underground use. .04 will fail if used for post / beam foundation construction.



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Mike M

09-28-2005 07:01:27




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 Re: Another Pole barn question in reply to other Sam, 09-27-2005 15:13:12  
Pour the floor right up to the skirt board and around the posts. When it cures it will pull away slightly. I was always told the more uniform you keep the slab the stronger it will be. I use a nice uniform pour for the slab (4" for regular garage) and under my overhead doors I pour a seperate solid footer about 1 foot wide and 3 feet deep to keep the frost from heaving it.



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paul

09-27-2005 21:26:24




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 Re: Another Pole barn question in reply to other Sam, 09-27-2005 15:13:12  
Many locations require by code a 'rat wall' edge around the building that is deeper to keep critters from burrowing under. It sure would be a good idea. even if not code for you.

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kyhayman

09-27-2005 20:22:20




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 Re: Another Pole barn question in reply to other Sam, 09-27-2005 15:13:12  
I always set poles (and fence posts) with dense grade gravel, lets the water drain out. Also, not sure whats with pouring the floor on grade, I aways fill to grade with gravel and pour above grade, helps keep the runoff out.



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Steve Crum

09-27-2005 16:55:35




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 Re: Another Pole barn question in reply to other Sam, 09-27-2005 15:13:12  
Definently pour the floor around the pole. In my main shop I followed the advice not too. The shop is insulated and heated. I battle rats and mice in the walls all winter long. In the new plasma shop I poured the concrete to the outsides of the poles, the outer concrete form being 2X8 pressure treated, I used this as the bottom nailer for the siding. Make sure the poles you buy are the certified 40 year direct burial. More expensive but likely to outlive us.

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broker farmer

09-27-2005 15:41:13




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 Re: Another Pole barn question in reply to other Sam, 09-27-2005 15:13:12  
The concern with pouring concrete around the pole is the fact that the top of the concrete is at ground level, thus the pole tends to rot at ground level because the water can't get away because the concrete has it blocked. It's best (in my opinion) to merely set the pole in the ground. If you pour a floor around the pole later, then the bottom of the concrete is at ground level and the water underneath has an escape route. You will not have the moisture accumulation problem with this method..assuming that your floor stays relatively dry.

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Easy

09-28-2005 01:03:35




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 Re: Another Pole barn question in reply to broker farmer, 09-27-2005 15:41:13  
I have heard this on here for years, "don't pour concrete around the poles, posts, etc". I have some posts I buried in concrete, most not to ground level, and none of them have ever busted off. In 20 years. Yeah, concrete holds moisture, but so does my michigan swamp soil. I have put in some cedar posts, that busted off at ground level, the wood in the ground is ok, and the wood above ground is ok. Just rotten where air and soil meet. But I have always used direct contact rated treated wood. I have seen some stuff that looks like it has green dye on it. I even saw some 4x4's that supported a colony of carpenter ants. Either those were really tough ants or the green treatment wasn't very good. I just moved 2 fenceposts that were in the ground 16 years. Looked good, no rot at all. no mold or lichens growing on them either. A stump 5 feet away is almost comepletely rotted away in about 10 years. I think there are some grades that are not meant for direct contact, and probably some that just is junk. My 2c.

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