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16 to 1 oil mix For a Older Craftsman Saw

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Jimmie Robbins

09-23-2005 19:03:16




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Hi, I just got a Brand New Older Craftsman 3.7 CI Saw. It was sold around 1980 but has never been used. It says to use 16 to 1 oil mix. Can I safely use a 32 to 1 or 40 to 1 mix?

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Jimmie




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John (MO)

09-27-2005 10:11:08




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 Re: 16 to 1 oil mix For a Older Craftsman Saw in reply to Jimmie Robbins, 09-23-2005 19:03:16  
Hey Jimmy, I think I've got the same saw except without the chain sharpener. I know it's that size and looks just like that, I'll try and remember to check the number tonight. I bought it new in the 70's sometime and maybe have used it 10 hours total. I bent the original chain last fall and took it to a shop to have a few new links put in. Shop found out they didn't have the correct links after they broke my chain apart and put me on a brand new chain for $8.00 I alway have trouble starting the saw, but assumed it was because it was used so little. A little squirt of starting fluid makes the job a lot easier for me. I use 2 little bottles of mix to the gallon of gas instead of one. It smokes pretty bad that way, but it keeps the skeeters away. LOL I worked for Sears a while in the 80's and one of the service men told me it was a great saw and that if I wanted to sell it, he'd be interested. Those first three numbers of the model number tells who made it, but you may have to find a service guy that remembers those numbers from back then to know for sure. I sure don't remember. Hey I'm not sure I've still got my book, if I don't would you be willing to copy a few pages of yours for me? Sorry to hear why you needed the saw, but I think she'll do the job for you.

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Hobo,NC

09-25-2005 16:41:27




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 Re: 16 to 1 oil mix For a Older Craftsman Saw in reply to Jimmie Robbins, 09-23-2005 19:03:16  
I have one like that a customer gave me, it had set up so long they could not git it to run. I cleaned the carb and liked to never got it to start good but once I hit the magic spot fer the adjustment on the carb it ran good still hard to start. I use a mix made by OMNI I git'it at the Napa store and run it in all my two cycle air cooled engines. i am not sure of the ratio, think its 50:1 I have not had enny probles. my saw wuz free so I have nuttin to loose, iffin i gave what you gave fer yours I may would add a little extra oil to the mix. it izz interest'in that you were the only bidder and bid $188.00 to meet the reserve, Guess you new the reserve price and the saw, are ya a Lawyer from arkin'saw, enny kin to Hillery

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Jimmie Robbins

09-25-2005 17:45:03




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 Re: 16 to 1 oil mix For a Older Craftsman Saw in reply to Hobo,NC, 09-25-2005 16:41:27  
Hi HOBO,NC

The 188.00 was a buy it now price. I thought, a new saw, that size, made by echo, for that price, I had better buy it. I have just been a victim of Hurricane Katrina here in Mississippi and it looks like an A Bomb blast here. I needed a better saw than the small one I have.

I wish that someone could tell me for sure who built that saw. It runs good. I finally got it cranked. I only run it for a litle while. What can I say, "A brand new saw, this old"?

Thanks for writing,
Jimmie

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Hobo,NC

09-26-2005 04:56:44




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 Re: 16 to 1 oil mix For a Older Craftsman Saw in reply to Jimmie Robbins, 09-25-2005 17:45:03  
Parts I have needed, chain, bar, carb kit are all generic so no problem git�in them. You need to take it by a small engine shop maybe they kin tell ya who made it.



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TomTX

09-24-2005 15:18:46




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 Re: 16 to 1 oil mix For a Older Craftsman Saw in reply to Jimmie Robbins, 09-23-2005 19:03:16  
Jimmie, I would mix as follows: Use 2 bottles of Echo 50:1 one gallon pre-measured bottles. They have 2.6 ounces each, which makes 5.2 OZ, when added to one gallon of gas makes about a 25:1 mix. This should give you excellent protection and not smoke too bad.
Also, I would use Stihl chain/bar oil. It has special additives which makes it cling to the bar and chain. Your bar and chains will last longer than with motor oil.

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JIMMIE ROBBINS

09-24-2005 16:50:17




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 Re: 16 to 1 oil mix For a Older Craftsman Saw in reply to TomTX, 09-24-2005 15:18:46  
Hi TomTX,

Thanks for that info. I will get some Stihl bar and chain oil Monday. The 25 to 1 sounds good also.

Thanks,
Jimmie



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jeffcat

09-23-2005 23:00:41




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 Re: 16 to 1 oil mix For a Older Craftsman Saw in reply to Jimmie Robbins, 09-23-2005 19:03:16  
Do yourself a big one and don't bother useing the sharp thingyy. It takes the top of each cutter OFF! You loose a WHOLE lot of chain life in nothing flat. Learn how to use a file correctly and you will get a LOT of life from your chains. Go buy a file and handle set at your chain saw shop. Also pick up a FULL chissel chain cause they REALLY cut! Just be careful with it cause they can be dangerous. They cut VERY fast and you can end up as a piece of cut "wood" if you get my drift. PS. you CAN"T use the sharpener with anything other than a "safety" chain. Where you are I would use straight 40wt oil for your bar oil. This is if you have a lot of pine and soft woods to cut. Lets the auto oiler work better. Keeps the bar cleaner and cools the chain in the bar's groove. Keep the grove in the bar clean so the oil can work it's way around. I would go buy some Echo saw oil mix and use that cause it has the stable stuff in it. You can store your saw and it will work the next time you need it. The synthetics of today were not around when a lot of these mixes were thought up. The 30wt and 40wt mixes would smoke like H--- in your saw and carbon up the plug. Enough oil would also plug up the screen. The new oils in proper mix will burn very clean. I have an old Mall model 11 two man and the proper mix for that would smoke you out of house -home- forest- and county! Just use a bottle of Echo per gallon or just a little less that a gollon per bottle. No sweat! Have fun cutting and be safe! Jeffcat

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JIMMIE ROBBINS

09-24-2005 02:21:34




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 Re: 16 to 1 oil mix For a Older Craftsman Saw in reply to jeffcat, 09-23-2005 23:00:41  
Hi Jeffcat,

Are you telling me to use today's Echo oil mix as if I were mixing it for an Echo which is made today. Are the bottles of Echo the gallon size? Most of the trees I have down are oak. Would the straight 30 or 40 weight work with oak?

I will take the sharpener off and change chains. I didn't know how well they worked as this is the first time I ever saw one. Does anyone know when these were made for sure. I see that sears doesn't have parts anymore. I am sure to need bars and chain sprokets or clutches in the future. Does anyone know what Echo it is that this is a copy of?

Thanks, Jimmie

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2x4

09-23-2005 23:27:40




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 Re: 16 to 1 oil mix For a Older Craftsman Saw in reply to jeffcat, 09-23-2005 23:00:41  
We always took the self-sharpening apparatus completely off the saw. It had a nasty habit of breaking & falling down onto the chain, grinding it away. Even when it worked perfectly, it was never as good as hand filing the good chain. That system was abandoned soon after it came out & you cant get that kind of chain any more anyway.



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JIMMIE ROBBINS

09-24-2005 02:30:19




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 Re: 16 to 1 oil mix For a Older Craftsman Saw in reply to 2x4, 09-23-2005 23:27:40  
HI 2X4,

Do you know what chain I need to replace the one on the Craftsman saw with? Also what bar can I use If i want to use a 20 or 22 inch bar. This motor should pull either of these shouldn't it? It is 3.7 ci. It runs very good and was brand new when it arrived. It was a little hard to crank. I had to stop and rest a while. I can not begin to know why someone bought this saw and didn't use or crank it for all those years.

Thanks, Jimmie

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2x4

09-25-2005 00:56:51




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 Re: 16 to 1 oil mix For a Older Craftsman Saw in reply to JIMMIE ROBBINS, 09-24-2005 02:30:19  
Hi jimmie. The saw was probably a gift to the guy & he was afraid of it. Like the song says "owning a chain saw is like owning your own man-eating shark". Can't answer your other questions w/o seeing the saw, there are so many variables. Stick to 20", 22" is too much.



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Jimmie Robbins

09-25-2005 02:48:55




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 Re: 2X4///16 to 1 oil mix For a Older Craftsman Sa in reply to 2x4, 09-25-2005 00:56:51  
Hi 2x4,

You can copy and paste this link in your address bar and see pictures of the saw from the ebay site where I bought it.

Link

You have to copy the whole thing but it will take you to see the saw at ebay. You hold your mouse button down and drag it through the whole thing starting at the end and when that address is highlighted you hit edit and then hit copy. Then open Internet Explorer or other web browser then right click on address bar and hit edit again and hit paste and it will take you to ebay site and pictures.

Thanks a lot,
Jimmie

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2x4

09-26-2005 01:32:39




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 Re: 2X4///16 to 1 oil mix For a Older Craftsman Sa in reply to Jimmie Robbins, 09-25-2005 02:48:55  
I saw them on your email link. Still couldnt tell. An expert will have to have it in hand.



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buickanddeere

09-23-2005 20:50:17




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 Re: 16 to 1 oil mix For a Older Craftsman Saw in reply to Jimmie Robbins, 09-23-2005 19:03:16  
It might be worth more someday new and never started? 30 to 1 with a quality oil won't cause damage.



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JIMMIE ROBBINS

09-23-2005 21:12:20




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 Re: 16 to 1 oil mix For a Older Craftsman Saw in reply to buickanddeere, 09-23-2005 20:50:17  
Hi,

You are right about the worth more if I didn't start and run it. It is a real nice saw and unusual with the chain sharpner on it. I already started it today and did cut a little with it. I am in the Hurricane area of Mississippi and my place looks like an Atomic Bomb went off. I haver so many trees down that I can't count them. They are laced and crossed so much that I can't even see them all. I bought the saw to help cut them with. Saws sold out here and I bought it on ebay.

Thanks,
Jimmie

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Leland

09-23-2005 22:53:20




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 Re: 16 to 1 oil mix For a Older Craftsman Saw in reply to JIMMIE ROBBINS, 09-23-2005 21:12:20  
If you guy's need saws or parts let me know I can find anything up here you want and you won't get raped bacause everybody wants them UPS can find you .



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tech4

09-23-2005 19:40:03




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 Re: 16 to 1 oil mix For a Older Craftsman Saw in reply to Jimmie Robbins, 09-23-2005 19:03:16  
I have one of those saws that I bought about 1978 to 1980 and I have always mixed 8 oz of oil to 1 gallon of gas for 16-1 mix. I have used mine all these years but it has always been hard to start.



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JIMMIE ROBBINS

09-23-2005 20:13:08




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 Re: 16 to 1 oil mix For a Older Craftsman Saw in reply to tech4, 09-23-2005 19:40:03  
Hi,

My saw is model 917 353770 with the chain sharpned made in. Is your one of those. I was told that this saw was made by echo. I didn't know that it was this old until it arrived. It is brand new alright and they said that they purchased it a while back, to my surprise it was quite a while back. It seems to have been a top of the line in the day that they bought it. I hope that if it is an echo that I can find out which model Echo so that I can buy some parts for it.

I hope that I can use a newer mix for the fuel. I have seen oil that said it was for all. It stated that I could use it for all, just mix it 40 to 1.

Thanks,
Jimmie

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JT

09-24-2005 06:13:00




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 Re: 16 to 1 oil mix For a Older Craftsman Saw in reply to JIMMIE ROBBINS, 09-23-2005 20:13:08  
Jimmie,
the saw you have looks like a Poulan saw, it has a few features that remind me of an Echo, but it looks a lot like Poulan. You can run 32:1 in most Poulan saws with today's synthetic oils, but I do not beleive I would use any less oil than that. That would be 4 oz per gallon of gas. I have to agree with Jeffcat, Echo makes a very good oil, that is proabably one of the better oils on the market. DO NOT use an water cooled 2 cycle engine oil that you buy at the gas station or auto parts store, you will have too high of an ash content and will carbon up your saw. Also try to stay away from gasahol, that saw will not be able to handle the alchohal. It will ruin your diaphrams in your carb and eventually make bubble gum out of your fuel lines.

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JIMMIE ROBBINS

09-24-2005 06:32:33




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 Re: 16 to 1 oil mix For a Older Craftsman Saw in reply to JT, 09-24-2005 06:13:00  
Hi JT,

Thank you for your reply.

If you can copy and paste the link below please look at the pictures on the ebay site of the saw I bought. I was able to copy and paste this I hope that you can also. You may have seen pictures from another place of the saw I have. I saw Echo saws on ebay of any earlier time with the fuel and oil tanks in front and made me believe that they were Echo. I do not know a lot about earlier Poulan or Echo saws. I hope to be able to use this for a long time and hope to find out who built it and when so that I might be able to get the basics in parts.

Link

If anybody else knows anything please let me know.

Thank you very much,
Jimmie

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