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Gus

09-21-2005 18:02:43




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Do the inexpensive battery maintainers do the job? I have 5 or so 12 volt batteries that are in things over the winter that don"t get used much. Should I take them all out and put them in a warmer place ? How about hooking them in series and using one good maintainer? Or should I get the cheap-os and put one on each battery? Thanks, Gus




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Herringchoker

09-25-2005 13:28:59




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 Re: Battery Maintainers in reply to Gus, 09-21-2005 18:02:43  
What I find works well on my Case 450 crawler that is 50 miles away and sometimes sits outside for months at a time without starting is this: a PulseTech battery conditioner to prevent sulfate buildup on the plates plus a 5 Watt solar powered battery charger. These have both been permanently connected to the battery for over 2 years now, with no problem (after 8 years of intermittent battery problems).

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Gus

09-25-2005 14:14:33




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 Re: Battery Maintainers in reply to Herringchoker, 09-25-2005 13:28:59  
Did you mount the solar collector outside the battery box permanently? I have a 450B Deere that sits a lot in the winter anyway. How does the sulfate gizmo attach? Thanks, Gus



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herringchoker

09-26-2005 17:47:36




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 Re: Battery Maintainers in reply to Gus, 09-25-2005 14:14:33  
The wires from both connect to the battery terminals. The PulseTech control box (about 1" x 2" x 5") is mounted inside the battery box. The solar panel (about 8" square) is mounted on the wire mesh rear panel of the ROPS. I used nylon cable ties to fasten them both.
You can also get a solar-powered PulseTech. Its solar panel is about 3" square. I had one on a backhoe that I sold last year. It seemed to keep the battery in good shape, but that tractor got a lot more frequent use than the crawler does.

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NEsota

09-23-2005 23:06:09




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 Re: Battery Maintainers in reply to Gus, 09-21-2005 18:02:43  
In response to Mark-IN's comment regarding advice to an Exide class he attended, the draining of electrolite from a battery and storing it in a glass jar, if you do this be certain to fill the battery with an enert gas and seal it from the atmosphere. This is what manufactures used to and may still do to prevent their dry-charge batteries from sulfating.



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Charles (in GA)

09-22-2005 17:13:59




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 Re: Battery Maintainers in reply to Gus, 09-21-2005 18:02:43  
I've told this story here before, but it bears repeating.

My neighborhood homeowners association (a rural fly-in community) owns three water wells that supply the 36 lots with water. While one is powered by EMC and the other two by GA Power, we still have concerns about keeping the water on, so we have a generator on one well. I installed a battery maintainer on the generator, and it sat peacefully in the well house until the battery suddenly decided to go "south" with a dead cell. The maintainer, seeing a low battery kicked into high gear and tried to top it off. End result was lots of battery fumes in a well house (well sealed and insulated one).

After installing a new battery, I also installed a lamp timer, like you use to turn lights on and off while you are on vacation. The maintainer is powered only for 30 mins a day, enough to top the battery if needed, but not enough to fry it in event of a failure. I put in an ON key in the timer and 30 mins later on the dial, an OFF key and thats it

I even keep one of these timers on the cord of my small 4 amp charger in my shop. I'm forgetful and sometimes put a battery on charge and if I don't get to the shop for a couple of days, there could be a problem.

I set the timer on and it runs for 24 hours till it hits the OFF key in the timer wheel and it stays off till I get to it (just don't install any ON keys in this case)

Charles

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Gus

09-22-2005 15:23:59




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 Re: Battery Maintainers in reply to Gus, 09-21-2005 18:02:43  
Thanks for all the comments. I'll stay away from the cheapo's and make sure the batteries are up and either start things up once in a while or move a good maintainer around through the winter. I have a good one on my dump truck because it has three batteries and a year ago I froze all three solid. Not cheap to replace. I didn't know the air locking tailgate was actuated electrically and left it open.

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Glen in TX

09-22-2005 12:13:07




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 Re: Battery Maintainers in reply to Gus, 09-21-2005 18:02:43  
If you aren't going to start things much in winter a battery tender will work well but if you do not start out with a good charged and clean battery if may not do you much good. We keep them on all of our fire trucks and get about 2-3 years life out of them. I agree with the others about not buying the cheap ones and try to find one that has a power and charge light on it. I've never had much luck getting the 12V tenders to keep up two 6V batteries is parallel on a 12V system so we went to one or two 12V batteries. On two trucks with 24V system and two large 12V batteries I've had good luck just hooking a tender to them where I would get 12V and it keeps both charged well. Just do not start them with the tender still plugged in though.

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Pete in Cal

09-22-2005 08:43:17




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 Re: Battery Maintainers in reply to Gus, 09-21-2005 18:02:43  
Gus, I would strongly advise against "hooking them in series" and connecting to anything. Hooking in paralell is ok. Be safe



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Mark - IN.

09-22-2005 03:48:34




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 Re: Battery Maintainers in reply to Gus, 09-21-2005 18:02:43  
Some years back, was sent to a day-long presentation put on by Exide Battery. Their prefered method of long term battery storage is to first charge the battery, then to remove and store the charged electrolyte in a clean glass container. Nothing personal, but fat chance of me doing that. Never thought of batteries as a science (lead antimony wet cells vrs fiberglass impregnated with ??? paste valve regulated cells, etc), but is truely a science beyond my...

From bike (scooter) shops, can get a "battery tender", which puts out a trickle charge, which is the best kind've charge, and it shuts itself down, then restarts as needed. But, as far as I know, are only available for 12VDC type batteries, and go for about $60. Whatever you decide to go with, make sure automatically shuts itself down, or will spoil your battery, and end up with boiled over electrolyte all over the place. Good luck.

Mark

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mud

09-21-2005 20:29:24




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 Re: Battery Maintainers in reply to Gus, 09-21-2005 18:02:43  
We have two Battery Tenders. Good results. If you hook up a group of batteries the weakest one will bring the others down. We had a Group 31 explode in the shop this spring. It was hooked to 2 others and the tender. If you are reading less than 11 volts then let it be alone on the maintainer.



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bo

09-21-2005 20:16:26




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 Re: Battery Maintainers in reply to Gus, 09-21-2005 18:02:43  
Got 4 of them from Wally World...been using them for about 2 years...seem to work fine. Batteries are healthy.
$17 each.
DO NOT GET THE SUPER CHEAP ONES FROM HARBOR FREIGHT, HAD TWO OF THEM MELT DOWN. Good thing I was right there to smell the melting plastic.



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MAC,IL

09-21-2005 18:58:27




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 Re: Battery Maintainers in reply to Gus, 09-21-2005 18:02:43  
Old has the right idea, I do the same thing.



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old

09-21-2005 18:16:42




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 Re: Battery Maintainers in reply to Gus, 09-21-2005 18:02:43  
All I ever do is go out and start each of my tractors about once a month or so and let them run 15 minutes or so. I never have any problems with the batterys and its also good for the engines.



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