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OT: Recycling PC's - Anyone Done It?

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Bill VA

09-16-2005 10:13:15




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Well, the hard disk on my PC just failed (I�m typing from work!). I thought that instead of replacing my hard disk, I might want to consider just buying a new PC. Then I thought (being the cheap-o that I am�..), I�ve got two PC�s, both towers. One is a Gateway P2-600 (Pentium II) and the one that just failed is a Dell Dimension 4000 series (PIII 933).

I�m thinking about perhaps trying something different � building a PC out of the two and adding some stuff to bring me up to date on the hardware side.

What is the possibility of using one of my current cases (the Gateway�s case is really big), adding a new motherboard and power supply? Use my current floppy, CD drives and the good hard drive from the gateway, my current keyboard, mouse and monitor.

Question is � would all if this stuff go together and work?

Another question is � I have a Dell version of Windows 2000 professional and the CD�s that came with the Dell. Can I load this software onto the new configuration?

The last thing I would add is a really hot video card and about a gig of ram.

Anyone recycled their old PC�s like or kind of like I am talking about?

Any recommendations would be appreciated.

Thanks!
Bill

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chris in MD

09-17-2005 15:06:01




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 Re: OT: Recycling PC's - Anyone Done It? in reply to Bill VA, 09-16-2005 10:13:15  
Almost all of the parts will be interchangeable except for the big things like power supplies and motherboards, Dell and Gateway, like many other computer manufacturers, are notorious for building cases for their style, and then building the motherboard to fit. You can certainly do what you are considering, I keep plenty of parts on hand from older stuff to swap around when I get newer stuff, none of my computers are the same as when I got them! Another option would be to check websites like mwave.com or asus.com and find a barebones system that gives you the case, motherboard, and power supply, and all you have to do is put your drives, memory, video card, etc in and you have a computer. Or, as others have suggested, Dell always has great deals on computers that would work fine for you. BUT, the real point here is to learn a little and have fun, so just start playing around! I think you'll find that the fastest way to learn (and the most fun), is to get your hands dirty. It sure is alot easier to do something that you're not sure will work on an older PC, and, no matter what you do, the two systems you have are still workable systems, and if you don't want to use them, keep them for the parts. Soon enough, you'll be caught between working on your tractors and your computers! Sorry for the long post, and good luck.
-Chris

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T_Bone

09-17-2005 02:39:32




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 Re: OT: Recycling PC's - Anyone Done It? in reply to Bill VA, 09-16-2005 10:13:15  
Hi Bill,

I too have always built my own puters until this one. Both my CTX lap top and my 300mhz, Win98se, 19" monitor, desk PC took a dump at the same time. I can't live without a lap top as I like keeping my books on PC plus on-line banking and I try to leave for 6mths at a time boondock camping (get out of the heat) thus the need for a laptop.

I bought a Toshiba Satellite 2.2ghz Intel/MB with 256mb, 15", DVD, XP, 2yrs ago. Wow what a speed demon comparred to the past puters. Net usage is fantastic faster on a 28.8k dial-up. Only draw back, another propritory OP system just like your Dell. Every 7mths or so I still have to reinstall XP as Toshiba didn't get it quite right either, just like any other propritory system PC maker, they have major glitch's. I haven't even bothered to rebuild the old PC's nor hook up the 19" monitor. I have increased my memory to 512mb and that helped slightly for how I use my PC. The fan is very noisy and needs replaced. Cost $895

At the same time I built my son a 2.4ghz Intel/MB, 512mb, DVD, 80g HDD, XP. Another very nice system as I matched all componets to Intel's "suggestions". This PC smokes mine without any problems even tho it's very close to being the same. Why? the MB bus speed is alot quicker. This XP system hasn't crashed since day one and system restore cures all the glitch's in about 30min of work. The son just updated to 1gb of RAM from 512mb and didn't notice a speed increase for his usage. About $600 including XP without monitor.

I really doubt that I'll try another non-Intel MB. I had just too good of results with going with the best. I just wish a person could piece together a laptop.

I would go with a external HDD on a laptop or desk PC for back-up files and too keep sensitive data on if your going to be on the internet.

First keeping the data off line on the HDD is the only assured way of no hackers obtaining that data and with a flip of a switch that data is available to me.

Second, it's really fast back-up when comparred to DVDrw or CDrw media for a darn cheap cost. I do a monthly CDrw back-up of important data. External USB HDD case, $25, plus the HDD cost.

Of course you need to take my suggestions with a grain of salt as we do have several professional puter wiz's on the forum that can offer far better advice.

T_Bone

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old_bc

09-16-2005 17:40:04




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 Re: OT: Recycling PC's - Anyone Done It? in reply to Bill VA, 09-16-2005 10:13:15  
You cannot load the Windows 2000 from the Dell recovery disks to a different motherboard. If you have a true Microsoft Windows 2000 disk you probably can unless it is the OEM version.

Old_bc



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onefarmer

09-16-2005 17:36:44




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 Re: OT: Recycling PC's - Anyone Done It? in reply to Bill VA, 09-16-2005 10:13:15  
I have built many pc's in the past until this year.

After pricing the minimum parts required for the upgrade (motherboard, memory, cpu, new windows cd) just to make it run. I found it much cheaper to buy a new Dell. The Dell is what I'm on at this time. I bought for under $400 just before Christmas. It came with everything including the monitor.

What you could do is take the hard drive out of the Gateway, if it is still good and put it in your Dell. Or just put a new HD in. Eigther way you would need to reinstall Windows

A 933mhz is plenty to browse the internet. You won't see much speed from a faster computer. I don't see any differance between my old 900mhz and this 2.4G. Maybe if you was running multiple browser windows or doing graphic design.

Dell Windows 2000 will not work in any computer that does notn have a Dell motherboard.

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Vern-MI

09-16-2005 17:07:44




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 Re: OT: Recycling PC's - Anyone Done It? in reply to Bill VA, 09-16-2005 10:13:15  
If you want something to play with go ahead and try it. If you want a noticeable improvement then build yourself a new system. The new system will have an 800 MHz front side buss between the processor and chipset. The new system will have a slot for the 8X AGP video card with 1 Gig of memory that you want for that rare gaming occasion. The new system will have the network system built in so you can easily connect multiple systems. The new system will have the upgraded BIOS so that it will work with the latest XP operating system. The new system will have the upgraded USB 2.0 connectors for both the front and back connectors on the case which can be used for all your printers, scanners, and memory sticks that you want to plug in. The new system will have the DVD / CD-RW drive to play and copy discs. The new system will have the card reader for the camera memory cards that you will use to download pics. The new system will have a sound card for all five channels including the sub that you will be using to blow the windows out. The new system will have a case that has the USB and other important front case access connectors. The new system will have an upgraded power supply that support all of the system components. The new system will have an upgraded hard drive which will have a massive amount of storage and extremely fast access times as compared to your old system

Most of the cheap off the shelf systems will not have these features and certainly many of these features will not be available on the two systems that you want to integrate into one.

You can play with the old systems and probably learn some neat stuff.

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mike brown (not FEMA)

09-16-2005 17:02:23




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 Re: OT: Recycling PC's - Anyone Done It? in reply to Bill VA, 09-16-2005 10:13:15  
Bill; May I suggest you think outside the box and consider a Mac Mini. For $600 you get this little box that you plug your present keyboard and mouse into, turn it on and you are running. You will not have to send money to Norton or Macafee. You will not have to defrag because the machine is getting slow. I did this by buying a used Power Mac G4 tower that was surplused at work. I was issued a mac at work a year ago and I learned to like it better than my pc at home.

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Coloken

09-16-2005 12:21:26




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 Re: OT: Recycling PC's - Anyone Done It? in reply to Bill VA, 09-16-2005 10:13:15  
Back on the big computer.
Like CNKS say, these older ones are worth very little. I've started to throw pieces in the trash when no one is looking. Fun to work with though. FWIW; When I got to over about 800 Mhz, I never noticed much gain in speed. Now speed of the hard drive is very noticable. That Dell Win 2000 might "MIGHT" barf back at you and say "this is not a Dell computer". Be real stinking of them if it does. I run both XP and 2000 here and dang if I don't think I swear less at the 2000.
Kennyp

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CNKS

09-16-2005 14:04:56




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 Re: OT: Recycling PC's - Anyone Done It? in reply to Coloken, 09-16-2005 12:21:26  
I will agree about the speed difference. But when I went from 133 Mz to 1.5 GHz it was like night and day, same as when I went from dialup to broadband. If you like to work on them that's fine.



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CNKS

09-16-2005 11:19:22




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 Re: OT: Recycling PC's - Anyone Done It? in reply to Bill VA, 09-16-2005 10:13:15  
I'm not a computer nut, but yes you can do that. But, I don't think you are going to save much money. Your Pentium III 933 is outdated. I have 3-year old Walmart Compaq with a Pentium 4 1.5 GHz, also out of date. New computers are cheap. I imagine I can get a better computer today for half the $1000 I paid for this one 3 years ago -- but I haven't priced one lately. I still have a worthless 1996 Windows 95 computer that I hate to throw away. It has only been turned on once in the last 3 years, so why am I keeping it? Will probably toss it when I replace this one.

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jake3x

09-17-2005 13:30:48




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 Re: OT: Recycling PC's - Anyone Done It? in reply to CNKS, 09-16-2005 11:19:22  
I keep my old 98 computer in case of a virus that slipped through. I went Norton's website on my 2nd computer downloaded the removal tool and poof it was gone. All the computer stores made lots of money. The replacement of a hard drive all the main parts of the program are locked in the partiton which is not available unless you have the OEM disc the restore discs will not work



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Coloken

09-16-2005 10:42:55




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 Re: OT: Recycling PC's - Anyone Done It? in reply to Bill VA, 09-16-2005 10:13:15  
Been doing this for years. Most "off the shelf" stuff is interchangeable. Gateway is not. their PSs are strange. The operating sys you have is good for any one system. Will load on any compatrable machine/HD. Just trying first time remote wireless hookup with my laptop, so haveing a hard time with the smaall keyboard. More later.
Kennyp



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