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Wade

01-28-2001 10:43:49




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I know that AC is preferred for welding Al. I noticed that we were welding steel with AC yesterday. It's not my welder. I have limited welding experience. (I use the grinder a lot.)

The question is: What is the general rule for AC, DC+, and DC- welding?




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T_Bone

01-28-2001 11:46:04




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 Re: Welding currents. in reply to Wade, 01-28-2001 10:43:49  
Hi Wade, DC is best for mild steel welding and Chemtron 7018 welding rod, used DCRP, is the best 7018 ever made.

DCRP= electrode positive (the rod holder) or also called reverse polarity
DCSP= electrode negitive or also called straight polarity

A/C has no polarity.

Lincoln 6010 or P5, DCRP for clean mild steel,

Lincoln 6011 DCRP for clean mild steel
AC or DCSP for glavanized 1st choice

Lincoln 6013 AC.

If welding flat or horzontial, Lincoln 7024 or jet rod used DCRP. They don't call it jet rod for nothing as it welds very fast and flat.

It's the rod flux that determines the first choice or only choice of type of welding current.

The rod numbers are defined as follows: Example 7018
First two numbers is the rated tensil strength in thousands
70/18 would be 70,000psi tensil strength

Third number is weld postion 1= All positions, 2= flat & horzontial postion, 3= flat only
70/1/8, with 1 being all welding positions.

Fourth number is the type of rod flux coating. there's ten so I will not list them all.
701/8= 8 being a iron powder coating

T_Bone

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bill

01-28-2001 19:31:18




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 Re: Re: Welding currents. in reply to T_Bone, 01-28-2001 11:46:04  
T Bone, I have been welding recently with 6013 dc+ and have found that I have some problems with pin holes. Do you think the 7018 would cure this ? How do you weld it and what weave motion is best?
Is slag removal pretty good ?

Bill



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Fred OH

01-30-2001 12:29:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Welding currents. in reply to bill, 01-28-2001 19:31:18  
I"ll bet if you looked on the box that rod came in, it says to use DC- or AC. HMMMM L8R----Fred OH



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T_Bone

01-28-2001 20:48:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Welding currents. in reply to bill, 01-28-2001 19:31:18  
Hi Bill, Porosity comes from to long of arc length letting oxygen get into the weld face or into the weld puddle. It can also be caused by the base metal not being cleaned before welding and during welding. Try holding a short arc length.

Any rod can be applied as a single bead or weave bead depending on joint design and position.

As for weave technique, I like to use the straight accross like a zig zag. Start at one edge then move quickley thru the center, then pause at the oppisite side to fill the corner pocket to prevent undercutting, then back quickley to the other side moving up or forward 1/2 of the rod diameter. This makes a flat smooth bead. The slower you move thru the center of the weld face the more extended the face will be. Move too fast from the corner pocket and undercut will result.

I really don't like 6013 as a rod but it does work well on AC. I fell in love with 7018 as it's very verstile once you learn to run it. Weld with a little hotter setting than you normally would and it will produce great results. One mistake most welders make with 7018 is welding to cold with to wide of a arc length. Weld hot and close and it'll soon be the only rod you want to use.

I may have to explain the weave I use in a different way as it's difficult to describe in typing.

T_Bone

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Wade

01-28-2001 22:53:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Welding currents. in reply to T_Bone, 01-28-2001 20:48:56  
The fellow whose equipment I was using is an accomplished welder. He started the job and I finished it. I was just surprised to see that we were using AC 7018's. You're right about the rod--it likes things hot and tight. Of course anything is easy compared to wire-feed mig welding an old aluminum boat! Talk about contaminated metal. Oh and the holes.

Thanks for the comments.

I dream of a Miller Tig machine!

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T_Bone

01-30-2001 21:03:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Welding currents. in reply to Wade, 01-28-2001 22:53:43  
Hi Wade, Have you ever tried oxy/acetylene welding aluminum with using aluminum stick rod as a filler rod? Works very well and fast. I found it doesn't take as much cleaning as Mig does although I did preclean with a SS wire brush on a drill motor to white metal. I used that method on my aluminum boat on the transom when it split out in several places and used a copper chill bar for a backing.

Depending on the rod manufacture, 7018 is made to run on all currents. Some of it runs better on certian currents than others and never hurts to try different welding currents than what the mfg spec's. I had some Hobart easy start 7018 that wouldn't run worth a darn on DCRP but did run better on DCSP and not worth a dip on AC and the rod was preffered DCRP by the mfg. In any event it wasn't Chemtron 7018 and couldn't hold a candle to Chemtron.

Glad I could help

T_Bone

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Wade

01-31-2001 09:17:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Welding currents. in reply to T_Bone, 01-30-2001 21:03:26  
Well heck, I found out that I looked at the maching wrong. We were using AC7018 rods on DC current + electrode.

Thanks for the info on the boat. I'm not really finished with the project. Can I get more details on the chill bar?

And Bobby also uses Propane in the place of Acetelyne. Comments?



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T_Bone

01-31-2001 14:35:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Welding currents. in reply to Wade, 01-31-2001 09:17:08  
Hi Wade, A chill bar is usually copper or alumnium used as a heat sink clamped behind the weld joint. It stops from burning through the base metal and also acts as a cover so oxygen won't oxide the backside of the weld when 100% penetration occures. Really useful while welding thin metals. I have one 3/8" copper 3" x 6", alumnium 2" x 6" x 3/8", SS 2" x 8" x 1/2", but copper one is used alot as most metals won't stick to copper.

Propane/Oxy burns at 3690F and Acetylene/Oxy 5420F I haven't compared prices lately so can't make a comment other than I don't really care for propane , mapp or natural gas as a cutting fuel. It does great as a preheat. For what little I cut here at the house, I'll stick with acetylene. We did a cost study for commerical use years ago and found although the cost of fuel was lower, labor costs far exceeded the fuel savings.

T_Bone

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jimmyzz

01-29-2001 09:46:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Welding currents. in reply to Wade, 01-28-2001 22:53:43  
He was most likely using lincoln LH-73 which is a 7018 rod developed for ac application. i like to use this rod in the 3/32 size as it restikes very well. and can also be ran dc.



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