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Dusty

01-28-2001 10:36:22




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Which is the better, Gel or Lead Acid for deep cycle R.V. batteries.
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Dusty MI




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T_Bone

01-28-2001 11:09:36




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 Re: Batteries in reply to Dusty, 01-28-2001 10:36:22  
Hi Dusty, Lead acid. But don't buy the cheap ones!
The thicker the plate the longer and more charge they hold. If in doubt, check the battery weight against each other and the heavier one will have thicker plates. If your planning on living in the boonies for awhile, look at four 6v golf cart type batterys as they will last much longer amp/hr than the typical two 12v deep cycle.

The last time I checked, good 12v were $150 up and 6v $90 up

T_Bone

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Wade

01-28-2001 22:57:56




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 Re: Re: Batteries in reply to T_Bone, 01-28-2001 11:09:36  
And remember that Deep Cycle means just that. Those batteries need to be deeply discharged between charges for optimum life. Unlike automotive type batteries designed for continual topping off. That's why a car battery takes a crap after just a few deep cycles, but will last forever if you run the car every day.



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Don Denhardt

11-23-2001 19:42:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Batteries in reply to Wade, 01-28-2001 22:57:56  
I beg to disagree.

I can assure you that deep cycle batteries DO NOT mean that their life is extended by deep levels of discharging. Check with any manufacturers site to verify this. Trojan, etc...

Deeply discharging those batts will cut their life span in half or more. I think this old wives tale got started in the early days of NiCad battery manufacture. Early NiCads had to be deeply discharged in order to avoid the memory syndrome.

Whether the lead acid batteries are flooded or starved electrolyte, starter or deep discharge, maximum life expectancy will always be achieved with shallow discharging and frequent charging.

I have been doing lead acid battery research into recovery and restoration techniques for over a year. The longest life expectancy achieved from la batts will be if it is kept cool, with clean tops (acid spill on the tops aggravate self discharging), at float voltage (trickle charged), desulfation pulsed (full time), and given a equalization charge (15V for a 12V battery) periodically (follow your manufacturers recommendations).

The following is an extract from a manual I had written for a custom built desulfator with aeration controls.


Lead Acid Battery Cycle:

When lead acid batteries discharge, some of the sulfuric acid in the electrolyte is converted to lead sulfate crystals and begin to coat the plates. These crystals interfere with and reduce the capacity of the battery. During recharging operations, sulfate crystals are converted back into sulfuric acid.

Most, but not all of the sulfates will be reconverted. These stubborn patches of sulfates will continue to grow and will harden to a class III bond. If unchecked they will grow to the point of battery failure. Sulfation is the failure mode of 84% of lead acid batteries that are discarded yearly.

Sulfation on the plates are in three classes in bonding strength to the plates or grades of difficulty to remove. The first grade is removed by recharging. The second grade rapidly dissolves with pulsing. The third or hardest grade (long term sulfation deposits) SLOWLY dissolve with pulsing, as the chemical bonds are really tough to break.

Equalization charges, while it accelerates the consumption of the positive plate(s) serve two purposes. First it is a crude and inefficient method of desulfation. Secondly, it creates gassing in the battery. This results in the stirring of electrolyte. Without this stirring, electrolyte can stratify (layer) with the acid settling to the bottom of the case. This condition will cause the bottoms of the plates to be rapidly consumed and severely reduce capacity.

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Douglas Stockman

02-01-2001 15:41:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Batteries in reply to Wade, 01-28-2001 22:57:56  
I actually live for the most part off the grid using two deep cycle batteries as my backup power source (wind and sun charging). Deep cycle means they can tolerate deep discharges better than car batteries. But, the deeper you discharge and the more often you deep discharge, the shorter your battery life. To get the most time out of deep cycle batteries, try not to discharge deeper than 60% empty (50% if you want 8+ years out of L-16's).

Douglas Stockman
Penfield, NY

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