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bobb

09-11-2005 09:51:29




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I have a 4 wire 240v extension cord from a generator. The wires are red, black, white and green. The airconditioner is a 240v three prone plug and I have a three prone recepticle to match the plug. How do I wire the recepticle? Do both the white and green wire go to the neutral connection or do I just use the white and just dead end the green wire?




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dr.sportster

09-13-2005 20:26:12




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 Re: Generator to Airconditioning wiring in reply to bobb, 09-11-2005 09:51:29  
When you say do both the white and green go to the neutral?Well in the thing I descrbed there is no neutral your unit cord is 2 hot leads and a ground only.if it had the neutral it would be a 4 wire cord also.T- bone is right and you cant describe electrical work over the phone, computer etc.I also assumed this was outdoors and by your description maybe not oh well.Dont wire for fire.



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dr.sportster

09-13-2005 13:03:50




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 Re: Generator to Airconditioning wiring in reply to bobb, 09-11-2005 09:51:29  
Heres what I think you gotta did.Buy a female receptacle that matches existing male plug and a weatherproof box.Put that female side into the box with proper weatherproof cover.Land the green to the box with a tail for the female recep ground also.[3 greens in one wirenut].Now cap off the white in the box with another wirenut.Then hook the two hot leads you need to the female box recep terminals.The floating box may still be a code violation but your getting to use both existing cords .Tie wrap the box on the end of the cord to a stake or post.The green never gets deadended and must be used in all situations for safety but the white neutral can be capped for future use.

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dr.sportster

09-12-2005 13:17:18




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 Re: Generator to Airconditioning wiring in reply to bobb, 09-11-2005 09:51:29  
This is a tough question because you are trying to match two NEMA cord ends that dont or never will really go together and meet code requirements.Even if you get a new cord end for the male side.



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farmall300u

09-11-2005 18:23:22




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 Re: Generator to Airconditioning wiring in reply to bobb, 09-11-2005 09:51:29  
Here is my take on your problem and what I would do even through I am not an electrian
1. A typical feed into a house is Red and Black wires with an aluminum ground cable supporting the Red and Black cables coming into your house.
2. The common or neutral or white wire is created at your electrical panel and is tied to ground. To check this, look at your electrical panel.
3. So, if it was me, seems like you could a)cap of the generator white wire with a electical nut or b) tie the white and green together at the generator cable
4. Use a connector box to tie the AC cord and the generator cable together

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Charles (in GA)

09-11-2005 12:00:25




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 Re: Generator to Airconditioning wiring in reply to bobb, 09-11-2005 09:51:29  
The red and black wires are "hots" across them you will read 240v with a meter. The white wire is a netural, common, or system ground, as it is variously known. Most electricians call it a netural. The green wire is a ground or earth, and is there to carry shorts to the chassis to the earth so you don't get zapped, and to provide a grounding path to earth so the circuit breaker or fuse will trip or blow when there is a short to the chassis.

If you measure from either "hot" to the netural, you will see 120v.

The green wire is NOT a netural or common and should NOT be used to rotinely carry electricity in the circuit.

The three prong 240v plug used on most 240v windown airconditioners is a NEMA 6-20 (20 amp) or 6-30 (30 amp) and these do not use a netural/common wire. They have two hots, and a green earth ground, and NO netural/common wire.

Some 240v equipment uses blower motors and such that work on 120v. Your air conditioner might. You will probably need to tie the green gound and the netural together at the end of the cord, where you are plugging the A/C unit in.

You will want to make some sort of adapter box to mount the receptacle in and plug into your generator cord. That way you don't mess with the connections on the generator cord.

Follow the link to some good pics of NEMA 5-15 and 5-20 plugs/receptacles (both are 120volt, and the NEMA 6-15 and 6-20 plugs and receptacles (both are 240volt and are the bottom two pics on the link page).

Charles

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buickanddeere

09-11-2005 19:43:01




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 Re: Generator to Airconditioning wiring in reply to Charles (in GA), 09-11-2005 12:00:25  
A typical feed into a house is Red and Black wires with an aluminum ground cable supporting the Red and Black cables coming into your house�.No. Two live lines and the neutral.
. The common or neutral or white wire is created at your electrical panel and is tied to ground. To check this, look at your electrical panel�. No. The neutral is bonded to the ground system at the panel.
. So, if it was me, seems like you could a) cap off the generator white wire with an electrical nut or b) tie the white and green together at the generator cable�No. If this was a very odd ball air conditioner and used 120V control. The plug would be four pin.

Stoves and clothes dryers run a four wire cable/four pin plug�why? You can�t use the ground as a neutral or the neutral as a ground. These are two different parts of the electrical system. One is protection, the other is for work. Three prong 120V equipment such as air compressors etc? Why don�t the manufactures save money and only run a two wire power cord? The green wire is a ground or earth and is there to carry shorts to the chassis to the earth�No. The 2nd reason the neutral is bonded to ground at the panel is to carry the fault current back to the service transformer�s center tap on single phase faults. This is to trip the over current protection instead of setting up a voltage gradient in the dirt, floor or general area around the fault.
You will probably need to tie the green ground and the neutral together at the end of the cord�No. Once again, because you can�t use the ground as a neutral or the neutral as a ground, two different systems.

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T_Bone

09-13-2005 03:33:43




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 Re: Generator to Airconditioning wiring in reply to buickanddeere, 09-11-2005 19:43:01  
Hi Charles,

You need to have a neutral on any HVAC equipment line feed's as you need low voltage control circuits for correct operation.

Wiring by internet will surely get someone killed.

T_Bone



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buickanddeere

09-11-2005 11:17:19




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 Re: Generator to Airconditioning wiring in reply to bobb, 09-11-2005 09:51:29  
Ground and neutral are not the same.I don't know how this idea has become so firmly held by the general public. The ground wire is only a current carrying conductor during a fault to ground from a line. The neutral just happens to be bonded to the ground so it and the line(s) don�t float into hundreds or thousands of volts above earth potential. The neutral bond is to be made as near the power supply as possible. Either in the service panel or in your case the generator junction/receptacle box. The generator chassis needs to be bonded with a quality cable, not odds and ends of lamp cable marretted together. To a drilled well casing, copper water pipe entering the building from under ground and has earth contact for at least 15ft. Or to another suitable ground such as a ground rod or plate. Your generator may or may not have the bond between the neutral and ground/chassis. Generators to be connected through transfer switches into building services are not to be neutral to chassis bonded. Those stand alone generators like your situation are ground to neutral bonded. I would recommend and by law, get a knowledgeable electrician to make the connections. I've came across some messes where the machine "worked" but the chassis was hot to ground/touch. Could this be a cooler for hanging game at a remote hunt camp? You will have to rig the thermostat to cool down to 35-40F. The 240V Air Conditioner does not use a neutral. Just the red, black live lines. And the green for ground/chassis.

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old

09-11-2005 10:16:39




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 Re: Generator to Airconditioning wiring in reply to bobb, 09-11-2005 09:51:29  
The red and black wires are your hot leads and the white will be the common and the green is ground or as some call it neutral. So yes you use the red black and white wire. But to meey code you would also need to use the green and hook it to the frame of the AC unit.



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