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Gutter machine (seamless gutters)

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Scott Green

01-27-2001 16:31:30




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I've installed many many gutters over the years. I've always bought them from some one elses gutter machine. After 22 years in buisness , I'm finally going to buy my own seamless gutter forming machine. Does anyone out there recommend a specific brand name over other brand names. If so , Why? Are thier any special features I should make sure I get? I'm looking at the 5" portable machines.




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T_Bone

01-28-2001 05:51:37




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 Re: Gutter machine (seamless gutters) in reply to Scott Green, 01-27-2001 16:31:30  
Hi Scott, I've never used a gutter machine but have used alot of different makes of sheet metal shop and field equipment, and there's a good reason why top brands demand top dollar for there machines, like Loc-Former, Roper-Whitney, Pexto. There machines are built heavier and the forming rollers, shafts, etc: are very hard so they ware the least. Many of the manufactures will let you run a machine at there plant or sales office. You might want to spend a couple days running a machine before you buy "since they don't cost very much" :) LOL

I have built several thousand feet of gutter on a hand break and know a gutter machine is cheap at any price!

Good luck and let me know what brand you bought.

T_Bone

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Scott Green

01-28-2001 11:12:45




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 Re: Re: Gutter machine (seamless gutters) in reply to T_Bone, 01-28-2001 05:51:37  
T Bone , I agree with what your opinion is. The prices are within $1000.00 of each other. So that's not much of a deal. I'm looking for features as well as quality. I would like to hear your opinion of this: One machine has .002 hard crome plated steel forming rollers. Another has stainless steel forming rollers. What do you think?



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Johnny in TX

01-28-2001 20:11:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Gutter machine (seamless gutters) in reply to Scott Green, 01-28-2001 11:12:45  
Scott, I worked at a window manufacturer for 6 years and we rollformed probably five to six million feet of tin plated spacer for insulated glass, our roll formers used chrome plated rolls, I think the purpose was to be able to chip off any flakes from the material being formed and also to inhibit any rust that would make a badly formed part. We, nor any other plants that ran these had any problems with the chrome plating coming off, this is not the cheap chrome plating job of yesterday's bumpers for cars, but should be a high quality plating for wear resistance. Contact the manufactures and let them tell you their reasons for doing this. Johnny

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Brian Franklin

03-28-2003 18:38:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Gutter machine (seamless gutters) in reply to Johnny in TX, 01-28-2001 20:11:06  
I live in Dallas, TX and I'm looking to buy a good used seamless gutter machine. Does anyone have a good place/source to start looking?



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T_Bone

01-28-2001 12:08:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Gutter machine (seamless gutters) in reply to Scott Green, 01-28-2001 11:12:45  
Hi Scott, I can't think of ever using a forming machine with chrome rollers and I wonder why? Chrome plating has been around for many years so if it was tops for wareablility, why didn't they chrome plate the first machines? I really think the chrome will chip off after a few thousand feet or a metal snag. I would go with the SS rollers as long as there harden. If not then go with harden steel rollers as they've been there and done that.

Something else to consider is go look at a few used machines. Drive around a new housing project until you find the gutter man. Then tell him your looking at designing a new type of forming machine and a gutter machine is the closest you can come to what your building. Tell him it's a flashing machine your building! Then ask him if you can watch him roll a few feet.

What brands are you finding?

T_Bone

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Scott Green

01-28-2001 14:19:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Gutter machine (seamless gutters) in reply to T_Bone, 01-28-2001 12:08:52  
I've been around many different gutter machines over the years. I've bought thousands and thousands of feet of gutter from gutter machines. The problem is: I was paying to much attention to the lenths of the gutter , along with accessories and the dollar figure. I never payed a lot of attention to the machines until this last past summer. Most of the machines I have seen were older machines. Seeing I'm going to buy my own , I want all the good up to date features I can get for the money. I'm only buying one. One of the differences I can see is that the forming rollers are made from different materials. Let me know if you hear anything else.

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Old Sparky

01-29-2001 05:09:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Gutter machine (seamless gutters) in reply to Scott Green, 01-28-2001 14:19:14  
There is decorative chrome, which we see on cars, etc. There is industrial hard chrome, which is used, for example, to build up undersize crankshaft journals. Doesn't look bright and shiny, but wears forever. Maybe that is the chrome referred to on these machines.



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T_Bone

01-29-2001 09:55:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Gutter machine (seamless gutters) in reply to Old Sparky, 01-29-2001 05:09:28  
Hi OS, Yes I'm aware that were talking industrial chrome but in our field it hasn't been used as much. Why I really don't know other than, does it work best in this type of appilcation? I would of thought if it would have cost effective, we would have used it.

T_Bone



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