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Throtle adjustment for a genset

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David Livacz

09-10-2005 13:39:14




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How do I adjust the throtle for a genset. I have a powermate 4400 with a Birggs and Straton 8 HP engine. A very old unit. Runs great at idle, will even run a 9000BTU ac at idle. The problem is the engine speed will not automatically increase to meet the load applied. What needs to be adjusted or sholud I be looking for missing parts or springs. The engine model is 190412. The type may be 3098, not possitive as the numbers are badly rusted. The code numbers can not be read at all.

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David Livacz

09-11-2005 05:56:52




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 Re: Throtle adjustment for a genset in reply to David Livacz, 09-10-2005 13:39:14  
Thanks Guys
All information has been helpful. The spring on the governor linkage is missing. I can increase engine revs by moving the govenor by hand. I will order a new spring and a few other parts that I noticed are missing after looking at a parts page at a Briggs and Straton site. A little nervous about getting the right spring as the code numbers are not readable. Seems to be 3 possable springs. I will order all 3 and use trial and error method to get spped at 3600 RPM.

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David Livacz

09-11-2005 06:01:11




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 Re: Throtle adjustment for a genset in reply to David Livacz, 09-11-2005 05:56:52  
One final question.
With the new govenor spring in place, should the engine speed be steady at 3600 RPM or is it common to pulse high and low revs. I have three other gensets of various brands and sizes and they all pulse. Is this normal or do they all need to be adjusted?



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RayP(MI)

09-11-2005 10:44:16




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 Re: Throtle adjustment for a genset in reply to David Livacz, 09-11-2005 06:01:11  
Should run at 3600rpm constantly. No running up and down like a air compressor!



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MarkB_MI

09-11-2005 05:05:31




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 Re: Throtle adjustment for a genset in reply to David Livacz, 09-10-2005 13:39:14  
You might have a plugged main jet. If the idle mixture screw is opened enough, it would probably work under no load by die as soon as you apply a load and the throttle opens.



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RusselAZ

09-10-2005 17:49:46




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 Re: Throtle adjustment for a genset in reply to David Livacz, 09-10-2005 13:39:14  
You need either a tach or a frequency meter to set the speed. Sounds to me like someone has set the run speed with the idle screw and not with the governor adjustment. I see this a lot of RV gen sets after the park wonder repairman has worked on them.



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teej

09-10-2005 14:46:13




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 Re: Throtle adjustment for a genset in reply to David Livacz, 09-10-2005 13:39:14  
Engine should run at 3600 RPM, with a load on a generator. this is to provide the correct voltage, and the correct frequency. Running it at an idle will have the frequency low and the voltage low. End result will be expensive damage to items you plug into the generator.

Some older units do not increase there engine speed with a load applied. I've not seen that feature on many Coleman's, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist on yours. There should be an electric solenoid of sorts connected to the throttle linkage if it does have it.

I have a powermate 4400 with an 8HP Briggs, and it doesn't have it, Mine was made in the mid to late 80s. I'd have to look at the engine to get the exact year.

those that don't have it, run at 3600 RPM, constantly, with or without a load.

Before tinkering with the RPMs, get a tachometer.
you can adjust the rpm to get the voltage at about 120 using a volt meter, but I still recommed the tach as well. If there is a problem with the generator itself, its possible to overspeed the engine to get the voltage right if you use the voltmeter method alone.

there are a couple ways to adjust the governor on a Briggs. having the service manual would help.

First, there is the static method, done with the engine off.

You loosen the clamp on the governor shaft, and push the linkage to full throttle, and turn the rod clockwise or counter-clockwise (depends on the engine), then re-tighten the clamp.

After that, you do one of the following, these are usually done with the engine running, or with it off, you make the adjustment, then re-start it and check it again. I do it running, and am careful not to put my fingers or tools into moving parts.

There may be other methods on some of the newer engines.

Some have a threaded rod, with a thumb screw on it, usually points up, on top of engine, near the carb/air filter. Turning that screw can increase and decrease the RPMS.

Some have a tang that the governor spring attaches to that must be bent with a special tool that you can make yourself, instructions are in the service manual.

While you are there, make sure the governor spring isn't stretched out or damaged. If it is, get the right one, using the model, spec # and serial # for your engine. Not all Governor springs are the same. you can look it up online yourself if you like at Briggs and Stratton's web site. You can also order a service manual and tachometer if you want to. Any Briggs and Stratton delaer should be able to get you one and help you also.

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RayP(MI)

09-10-2005 15:09:28




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 Re: Throtle adjustment for a genset in reply to teej, 09-10-2005 14:46:13  
teej has it right - got one just like that, governor has been set for 3600rpm, and it dies trying to keep it there. Will bog down when starting a 3/4hp water pump, or over loaded, otherwise, she's awfully close. I have electronic frequency counter, as well as mechanical (reed type) and she's really pretty good.



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Fawteen

09-10-2005 13:54:54




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 Re: Throtle adjustment for a genset in reply to David Livacz, 09-10-2005 13:39:14  
The governor isn't doing it's job. Look for a missing/broken spring or a stuck linkage.

Running the unit at idle doesn't strike me as a real good idea. Even if the voltage is up to snuff (which I doubt) the frequency is almost certainly too low and you're headed for a ruined motor or other components on whatever you're running with it. Most generators are designed to provide proper voltage and frequency at full governed speed, usually 1800 or 3600 RPM.

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