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Midwest redneck

09-05-2005 10:33:19




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In the past we have chimed in on our age, occupation, where we live and so on. I would like to ask you fellas what size garages or pole barns you have and workshops in them if any. Here goes....I built a 50X22 garage, full concrete floor 8 foot ceiling, T111 siding with 2X4 walls, 5/12 roof trusses, one 16' X 7' door, with one man door and 4 windows. Inside I have room for two cars, 2 tractors and I finished one workshop, 28" long X 10' wide inside the garage, mostly drywall, drop ceiling (like basement tile ceiling) no heat yet, except kerosene tube heater. 100amp service, garage attached to the house. What about you guys?

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LeMaverick

09-08-2005 13:16:38




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 Not the Prettiest or best � but cheap and function in reply to Midwest redneck, 09-05-2005 10:33:19  
My workshop is not the greatest but I�ll bet it is one of the cheapest. We purchased an old but solid 12 x 50 mobile home (good roof and 3/4� plywood floor) that was no longer suitable for habitation. Paid $500, towed it home with a one-ton Cummins Dodge � twenty-five miles with no title, registration, permits, etc.

We gutted the inside, installed an 8� slider on one side, built a workbench across one end, built shelves floor to ceiling along both sidewalls, added a 12� awning roof on the slider side (all salvage material, zero cash cost), and cut a hole and installed a 48� �chicken fan� on the back end (and almost had to bolt down the table saw to keep it from blowing away).

We live in rural eastern Texas, a state that requires NO building permits, inspections, or bureaucratic interference for those who with acreage outside city limits. (And, which has excellent �homestead� protection laws that exempt one�s home and up to 200 acres from legal attachment). The �ranch� is 50 acres and the only way anyone could see the shop (which isn�t going to win any beauty contests) is by risking trespass (Texas also has tough laws against trespass and we are well versed in use of 12 gauge dissuader) or by flying over.

It would be nice to have higher ceilings and a less linear layout, but what we have works well for light maintenance, modest woodworking and lots of storage.

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Midwest redneck

09-08-2005 16:43:51




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 Re: Not the Prettiest or best � but cheap and func in reply to LeMaverick, 09-08-2005 13:16:38  
Well your shop seems like a workshop tunnel, kinda redneckish, right up my alley.



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Midwest redneck

09-08-2005 16:43:44




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 Re: Not the Prettiest or best � but cheap and func in reply to LeMaverick, 09-08-2005 13:16:38  
Well your shop seems like a workshop tunnel, kinda redneckish, right up my alley.



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huntingreen

09-06-2005 20:54:02




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 Re: Pole barns, garages and workshops in reply to Midwest redneck, 09-05-2005 10:33:19  
I have a 40 x 60 with 10 ft ceilings. Cable TV, Phone wired in conduit 200 amp. Mill, Lathe, ir Compressor, tig, mig , arc. Concrete floor 4 inches sitting on 30 piers dug with a post hole digger and filled with concrete. Bath, shower and not near enough room to store all the junk I can drag home. Sand blast cabinet built in 1990. 1/2 rebar on 2 ft. centers. No cracks.Propane gas furnace.



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Charles (in GA)

09-06-2005 18:11:26




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 Re: Pole barns, garages and workshops in reply to Midwest redneck, 09-05-2005 10:33:19  
I live in a fly-in community, a subdivision with a grass runway. Most property owners have airplanes.

I have a 60x60 metal building, with a 16 ft eave and a 12/2 roof, drains good and not as flat as an ordinary metal building, but not too steep either.

All the lots here are around 2 to 3 acres, nice cumfortable size, wouldn't want any more to keep up.

I've got a large door on one end, to get aircraft in and out and they are skinned with translucent fiberglass, and two more doors, one 10x10 in the side and a 12wx14h garage door on the house end. It has five panels of tempered glass, like a jiffy lube or a fire station. lots of ambient light.

200 amp elect service in the largest panel I could buy and all in conduit.

I'm still adding to the electrical and planning on plumbing for air. This is an ONGOING project.

Just 80 ft from my back door.

Many people are afraid to tell what they have or where they are. My subdivision is private, no public roads, and we never have any trouble.

Oh by the way, I AM the tax assessor (in my county at least).

Charles

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RickL

09-06-2005 17:12:18




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 Re: Pole barns, garages and workshops in reply to Midwest redneck, 09-05-2005 10:33:19  
shop is 54x75 full 200amp service,radiant heat,full ceiling lights 23 8ft flouresent/coldstarts/air compressor rigged to 2 80 gal tanks,air outlets at eight locations,etc etc. not big enough now thou hardly for the 60 thru 90ft planters etc I assemble. Hyd cranes going in this winter hopefully



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Scott in NNY

09-06-2005 13:24:59




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 Re: Pole barns, garages and workshops in reply to Midwest redneck, 09-05-2005 10:33:19  
We built a 24x48 pole barn with 8' sidewalls and a 9/12 vaulted ceiling. Got a 12x10 door in one end an 8x8 in the other end and one man door. And we let a few heifers run in it when we first built it so it stays off the tax rolls for ten years. With 230 acres, our house, and the 26x85 built in 1870's we use as a hay shed, gotta keep the taxes down. Don't wanna know how much they'll go up when they can tax the 12,000 sq. ft. freestall we built five years ago...

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paul

09-06-2005 11:06:08




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 Re: Pole barns, garages and workshops in reply to Midwest redneck, 09-05-2005 10:33:19  
I have 9 outbiuldings on my farm, so hard to list. Hope to turn an old one (formerly a feed mill, part corn crib, part grainery, 1/2 concrete floor with grooves in the floor so the horses didn't slip) into a workshop.

Only thing with your shed, you will regret that 8 foot sidewall many many times over the next 20 years. For s shed that size, 12 foot would be best, but no point in building it under 10 foot. If you keep the place, too low for many tractors; if you sell it, too low for folks with campers & such. The building is doomed before it's done.

Not trying to pick on you, just info for others building - skimp somewhere else if you have to just make it tall enough! Of my 9 buildings, 2 currently have 8 foot doors, and it's just aweful. Need to pull mufflers to get in, if at all. The 9 & 10 foot doors cause enough problems for hay, etc....

--->Paul

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Everett Mi

09-05-2005 17:23:19




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 Re: Pole barns, garages and workshops in reply to Midwest redneck, 09-05-2005 10:33:19  
Five years ago built a 30 x 40 wood frame pole building. Cut wood on farm, sawed on brothers saw mill. Covered with metal siding salvaged from one of Fomoco`s building. Dirt floor,no elect, a 21x10 opening no door yet. Just a place to park tractors and equipment. That is near Kalkaska,mi. Here at South Rockwood have a 40x54 all steel building. Combination workshop and keep things inside.100 amp service, concrete floor, 12x14 door with one man door. Heat with mix used oil and diesel. Use oil gun at 200 psi. Everett Shively

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johnlobb

09-05-2005 17:08:14




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 Re: Pole barns, garages and workshops in reply to Midwest redneck, 09-05-2005 10:33:19  
I have a 40X32 pole barn w/cement floor, 3 work benches, air compressor piped around with 1 outlet outside and 4 other outlets including a pulldown reel overhead. I ran 2 sets of 1/2" steel pipe with one having filtered dewetted air for painting, tires,etc, and the other filtered with an oiler to run air tools. (I am a pipefitter/pipewelder.) I also have 100amp 220v. elec service. My problem is too many other things have intruded on my space so I barely have room for my JD "50 B that I"m working on. I am in NW Washtenaw county north of Chelsea, MI>

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Miss Grundy

09-05-2005 15:34:50




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 Re: Pole barns, garages and workshops in reply to Midwest redneck, 09-05-2005 10:33:19  
I don't even tell the county tax assessor this kind of stuff



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Easy

09-05-2005 14:52:13




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 Re: Pole barns, garages and workshops in reply to Midwest redneck, 09-05-2005 10:33:19  
I built a 40 x 40 in 1990. I have a 50 amp service to it. I have a frostproof hydrant too. I am trying toi see if I can put a concrete floor in it, and maybe up the electrical service to 100 amp. I keep my 2 tractors in it, various implements. I have a lot of tools in the basement, and in the garage. I have 10 acres in Howell, Mi. Easy.



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JerryU

09-06-2005 04:44:00




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 Re: Pole barns, garages and workshops in reply to Easy, 09-05-2005 14:52:13  
Generally they will let you put in a floor if you put in a 3"X24" ratwall around the perimeter. That"s what they said in the Township I"m in out by Metro airport.

JU



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Midwest redneck

09-05-2005 15:58:30




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 Re: Pole barns, garages and workshops in reply to Easy, 09-05-2005 14:52:13  
I am about 40 miles from you, I am in Brandon twp. N. Oakland county.



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MarkB_MI

09-06-2005 03:20:16




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 Re: Pole barns, garages and workshops in reply to Midwest redneck, 09-05-2005 15:58:30  
I'm halfway between. Springfield Twp.



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Midwest redneck

09-06-2005 08:57:33




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 Re: Pole barns, garages and workshops in reply to MarkB_MI, 09-06-2005 03:20:16  
That aint too far from me, only 8 miles or so. How far are you from the freeway.



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MarkB_MI

09-06-2005 18:06:09




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 Re: Pole barns, garages and workshops in reply to Midwest redneck, 09-06-2005 08:57:33  
Redneck,

I'm about a half mile off of I-75. Of course that's true of most of Springfield Twp.



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midwest redneck

09-07-2005 02:31:12




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 Re: Pole barns, garages and workshops in reply to MarkB_MI, 09-06-2005 18:06:09  
So your in Davisburg. My son goes to school at the Dixie baptist church. You must be real close to there.



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Easy

09-05-2005 23:20:49




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 Re: Pole barns, garages and workshops in reply to Midwest redneck, 09-05-2005 15:58:30  
I am actually in Cohoctah township, north of Howell. I have been out your way for auctions and to visit Hodges farm equipment. My wife has a business in Brighton, Head to Tail Pet Grooming. I am amazed at how fast the county is developing. When we came out here 20 years ago, it was very rural. I could get to my job in Livonia very easily. Now one sub after another is springing up, and traffic on the way to work is terrible. I kid people about my being a redneck, but I am a Michigan boy on both sides. I grew up with both my grandparents having small farms, and learned to hunt and fish with my dad. We just have 10 acres, just enough for me to play on!! I have a Farmall H, and a IH 300U. How about you? Easy.

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Midwest redneck

09-06-2005 02:12:00




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 Re: Pole barns, garages and workshops in reply to Easy, 09-05-2005 23:20:49  
I have 2.5 acres, I know where Cohoctah is, norhern Liv. county. I dont farm but I have an all wooded lot and have spent a lot of time cutting trees and using it for firewood. I just finished a cedar deck in July. Livingston co. is nice a friend of mine lives in Fowlerville.



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HAVVEY

09-05-2005 14:42:52




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 Re: Pole barns, garages and workshops in reply to Midwest redneck, 09-05-2005 10:33:19  
I have several buildings. I would not build one so that items get one behind the other, thats a pain. Also would not go with temporary and a cement pad is a must.



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MarkB_MI

09-05-2005 12:35:19




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 Re: Pole barns, garages and workshops in reply to Midwest redneck, 09-05-2005 10:33:19  
I have a 30 x 40' post frame workshop, 10' sidewalls. T1-11 siding and shingles to match the house. 16 x 8' overhead door. It's still a work in progress, putting together my workbench now.

100 amp electrical service. Two frostproof yard hydrants, one inside and one out. The inside hydrant is hooked into the water softener back at the house.

Put insulation in the floor and ran PEX tubing for radiant heat. Don't have the heat hooked up since I haven't completed the wall and roof insulation.

I think the only thing that I'd do different if I did it again would be to make the sidewalls 12' instead of 10'. That way I could install a hoist. Of course, they're never big enough.

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David A. Hodson

09-05-2005 10:53:24




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 Re: Pole barns, garages and workshops in reply to Midwest redneck, 09-05-2005 10:33:19  
One shed is 32x64 main with a 20x32 add on and 12x36 added to that, main shed is total of 45x81 with a 27x45 taken out of one end for a shop, nothing fancy. David



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old

09-05-2005 10:41:10




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 Re: Pole barns, garages and workshops in reply to Midwest redneck, 09-05-2005 10:33:19  
My shop is about 30X40 made from all salvage stuff. Mobile home frames and used roofing metal. Gravel floor, not the best but it works. Tractor shed is 32X32 just a pole barn with used roofing tin. I'm working on a 16X 40 right now becuase I just plain need more room for the toys. My shop has 220 in it but the other 2 have no power.



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Midwest redneck

09-05-2005 10:34:55




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 Re: Pole barns, garages and workshops in reply to Midwest redneck, 09-05-2005 10:33:19  
Oops I meant a 28' X 10' workshop



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mike brown

09-05-2005 12:58:23




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 Re: Pole barns, garages and workshops in reply to Midwest redneck, 09-05-2005 10:34:55  
36x60, 5/12 pitch. I made my trusses from a Cornell publication. Concrete floor 100a service and fridge. I use it for machinery storage and repair (and a place to get away from the mrs.).



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Rexalot

09-05-2005 15:16:27




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 Re: Pole barns, garages and workshops in reply to mike brown, 09-05-2005 12:58:23  
I started with a 56 x 30 x 12 all metal pole building with a concrete floor, 100amp with 220 for my compressor and welder. I then added an 32 x 18 enclosed lean - to for horses. Filled up that space so I extended of the back of my existing building 24 more feet plus extended the lean - to side to match. I now have an 80 x 48 building. The back 24 x 30 is gravel for tractor parking. The lean-to is both gravel and concrete.

The only drawback is that it looks as if it has been added onto three times, which it has been more or less. If I had the $$$$ to do it again I would have planned better to get a cleaner look. I built it myself and while I made a few mistakes along the way I also learned a few things. The most important thing, build it as big as your budget allows, considering future growth.

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