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PVC Pipe for Air Lines

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CRUSADER

08-31-2005 07:38:30




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Need some opinion on this Please

I went into a shop that belongs to an acquaintance of mine. We were BS'ing, and as I was leaving I noticed that he had a water separator and air hose hooked onto a PVC Pipe. Further observance I realized that the PVC Pipe was running to different places in the shop with air line connectors on it. I asked him if that was for air, and he said "yes, this is the way it's done now." He told me that the plastic pipe is rated at 600 psi and that since these air lines very seldom will see as much as 150 psi that it's safe. I explained to him that this isn't a good idea that it could shatter sending "shrapnel" in all directions. He told me that it was perfectly safe, and that many shops are using them now days and have been for years.

My Question Is:

Is this safe? Have they come out with a PVC that can be used for air lines for an air compressor? I know that there is copper tubing that is OSHA approved for running air lines, but the idea and thought of using PVC for air pressure lines to me is scary. I also know that PVC or plastic tubing can be used for running gas lines, but they don't have as large a volume and pressure that a line used from an air compressor will have.

Thanks for your inputs,
Jim

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CRUSADER

09-02-2005 21:36:14




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 Re: PVC Pipe for Air Lines in reply to CRUSADER, 08-31-2005 07:38:30  
I appreciate the replies to this post, and thank everyone for their inputs. I have conclude from the response that even though there is a PVC that is okay for air lines...it is still a scary thing to use. At this time, I don't have an air compressor in the garage, but am planning to get one when I return next year from Korea. I was thinking about using one inch pipe (eventually) for the service line from the air compressor.

Once again, Thank You for your inputs.
Jim

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Dr.EVIL

09-01-2005 08:54:06




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 Re: PVC Pipe for Air Lines in reply to CRUSADER, 08-31-2005 07:38:30  
O-K.... I was wrong..... It's BLUE!http://www.asahi-america.com/productCatalog.cfm?fa=compressedAirPipingSystem_ip Copy & Paste



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kidbob

08-31-2005 20:15:35




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 Re: PVC Pipe for Air Lines in reply to CRUSADER, 08-31-2005 07:38:30  
I have been useing 1/2" sch 40 PVC for over 45 years with no trouble unless it was damaged externaly.



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KEG

08-31-2005 18:56:24




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 Re: PVC Pipe for Air Lines in reply to CRUSADER, 08-31-2005 07:38:30  
Excerpt from>Link
Safety>Link Hazard Information Bulletin

Last year, a section of PVC pipe being used for compressed air exploded 27 feet above a warehouse floor. A fragment of the pipe flew 60 feet and embedded itself in a roll of paper. Fortunately, nobody was in the area at the time.

A PVC pipe explosion in a new plant in Selah broke an employee's nose and cut his face.

PVC piping buried 3 feet underground at a Yakima manufacturing plant exploded, opening up a crater approximately 4 feet deep by 3 feet across.

The dangers involved in using rigid vinyl piping products for compressed air transport are well known in our industry.

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upred

08-31-2005 16:34:03




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 Re: PVC Pipe for Air Lines in reply to CRUSADER, 08-31-2005 07:38:30  
We ran pvc air lines ion our shop,boy what a mistake to try and save a few $$. First off Pvc will fail and send shrapnel flying everywhere.I have been there when that happened. I would recommend Iron pipe as this cools the compressed air faster and will only split if it ever fails, and I would put the compressor in the far corner with the pipe sloping back to the compressor. just my thoughts. I wouldn't use copper either. It won't hold up and should be silver soldered I'm not sure if it could take the pressure - Rick

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Midwest redneck

08-31-2005 16:17:35




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 Re: PVC Pipe for Air Lines in reply to CRUSADER, 08-31-2005 07:38:30  
Anybody that runs PVC for air lines is causing a serious potential safety hazard. OSHA doesnt allow it and the temp. changes weaken PVC and oil degrades PVC. When PVC blows up it is like shrapnel, so your right and your buddy is wrong.



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dr.sportster

08-31-2005 13:24:28




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 Re: PVC Pipe for Air Lines in reply to CRUSADER, 08-31-2005 07:38:30  
Oh wait,I just read Rods references.It was encased in concrete ,right? Concrete encased is allowed.Did you see the concrete encasing go right up to the fittings?Tell him to read up more on this before somebody gets hurt bad.



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dr.sportster

08-31-2005 13:13:44




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 Re: PVC Pipe for Air Lines in reply to CRUSADER, 08-31-2005 07:38:30  
There are some new material plastic pipes in the electrical industry.Latest plumbing codebook should give you the right answer.Sounds wacky and unsafe to me but Im no plumber.



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havvey

08-31-2005 12:38:38




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 Re: PVC Pipe for Air Lines in reply to CRUSADER, 08-31-2005 07:38:30  
a lot of people do it rod may be technically correct but mine is 20 years old no problems i would guard agaist some abnormal high pressure use. Also i question these cheap chinese hoses that blow out like a ballon.



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Rod (NH)

08-31-2005 10:30:03




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 Re: PVC Pipe for Air Lines in reply to CRUSADER, 08-31-2005 07:38:30  
Hi Crusader,

NO, it's not safe. You're right. He's wrong. Just because he hasn't been hurt by using it doesn't mean it's safe. Others have been injured. The 600 psig means little by itself as the safe working pressure of PVC (even with water) is extremely dependent on temperature as well as pressure. In most commercial areas, it is basically illegal to use PVC for compressed air. If your acquaintance has employess working in his shop, he should be made aware of this from OSHA. See also this. Furthermore, try and find a manufacturer of PVC pipe or fittings that recommends their product be used with compressed air. You'll be hard pressed. See here. This is nothing new, as you can see from the dates on the documents. Your acquaintance doesn't know what he is talking about. You should tell him so.

Anyone using PVC piping for compressed air does so at their own risk. Hopefully they are not risking others who are unaware of the potential danger.

Be safe - don't use PVC for compressed air systems.

third party image Rod

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Joe(TX)

08-31-2005 09:56:10




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 Re: PVC Pipe for Air Lines in reply to CRUSADER, 08-31-2005 07:38:30  
I been in numerous commercial operations that used PVC pipe for air lines. My brother has had it in his shop over 20 years. Use the higher pressure rated pipe. Use a primer when gluing it up. If the fittings dont hold, you've done something wrong. I did have an experiance with a 2 in air line that was not properly glued once. A lot funnier the next day. It involved a loud noise, a casual bystander, and a large amount of pigeon droppings and feathers in the air. The gray pvc stands up better to uv.

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JMS/MN

08-31-2005 08:30:44




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 Re: PVC Pipe for Air Lines in reply to CRUSADER, 08-31-2005 07:38:30  
This question came up a few years ago, and at the time I found a manufacturer's website specifically warning AGAINST this use. Risk is not worth saving a few bucks.



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msb

08-31-2005 08:08:10




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 Re: PVC Pipe for Air Lines in reply to CRUSADER, 08-31-2005 07:38:30  
One problem with off the shelf PVC is compressor oil will seriously shorten the PVC life since oil softens the plastic.Personally,I would never use it since copper is so much more durable and will not be affected by oil and is a lot less likely to be shattered from physical damage.



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DL

08-31-2005 08:05:04




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 Re: PVC Pipe for Air Lines in reply to CRUSADER, 08-31-2005 07:38:30  
Hey Jim,
I know what 'ya mean... friend of mine ran PVC for air lines in his shop... justified it by only running it above the ceiling level... galvi from ceiling down. I guess that's better than all plastic, but still makes ME nervous! I ran 3/4" galvi for my complete system. A bit more $$, time, and effort than other methods but should last a lifetime... AND you'd have to work pretty hard to break a line!
Regards, DL

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Dr.EVIL

08-31-2005 07:45:49




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 Re: PVC Pipe for Air Lines in reply to CRUSADER, 08-31-2005 07:38:30  
Yes, there is a plastic pipe approved for running compressed air lines. I think it's green in color. And about the same price as copper pipe.



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