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Concrete stuck in mixer

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Hal/WA

08-30-2005 19:58:17




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A couple of weeks ago, a new neighbor gave me an electric cement mixer that had been left on his property when he moved in. It seems to work OK and the price was certainly right, but unfortunately previous owners were not careful to clean it out very well after using it. There is a buildup of concrete in the drum and on the agitators that takes up about 1/4 to 1/3 of the possible volume.

Since the bottom of the drum appears to be formed steel rather than cast metal,I have tried pounding on the outside of the drum where the concrete is and also pounding directly on the concrete inside. Neither has dislodged very much of the very hard concrete in the drum. I also tried hitting the concrete with a heavy pointed digging bar, but mostly just move the whole mixer around.

I have had success in breaking up concrete everywhere else using a large sledge, but in this situation, there is no room to swing a long tool inside the drum. I have thought about renting a big hammer drill, but haven't tried that yet.

I also have thought about putting the drum in the upright position and adding enough water to cover the concrete and letting it sit that way all winter. I was thinking that maybe the freezing and thawing cycles might help dislodge the concrete from the metal.

The concrete mixer will work as is, just without nearly as much capacity as it might have. I don't want to break the machine, but would like to get the excess concrete buildup out. Am I going at this the right way, or is there an easier way of removing the concrete that I haven't thought of?

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Hal/WA

08-31-2005 19:51:32




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 Re: Concrete stuck in mixer in reply to Hal/WA, 08-30-2005 19:58:17  
Thanks to everyone who responded! I will try the air chisel (which I already have) and may try the chemical ideas. I can get muriatic acid easily, but will try a couple of big bottles of Coca Cola first, just to see how well that works.

I have already hit the drum pretty hard from the outside with my sledge and don't want to damage the metal too much. The fasteners that hold the agitators are all rusty and covered with concrete and I can't see both ends of them. I might be able to get some of them loose, but it looks like some of them would be quite difficult. I may try anyway. If the fasteners break off, I could probably weld the agitators in if I couldn't replace the fasteners.

However I do not intend to use the suggestion of using explosives--I don't have any.....and that might be a little too hard on the machinery!

Thanks again for your help. Hal

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cj3b_jeep

09-01-2005 10:01:34




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 Re: Concrete stuck in mixer in reply to Hal/WA, 08-31-2005 19:51:32  
Ever seen what an acetylene torch does to a nice concrete floor? I"d give that a shot from the inside.



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Stan in Oly, WA

08-31-2005 21:21:39




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 Re: Concrete stuck in mixer in reply to Hal/WA, 08-31-2005 19:51:32  
Hi Hal,

A wire wheel on an angle grinder will clean rust and concrete off fasteners quickly. You have to wear eye protection that presses tightly to your face---stuff will be coming at you from every which way.

On my old mixer the bolts went through holes in the body of the mixer and threaded into nuts which were part of each blade assembly. It turned out to be easy to replace the few that broke during removal, so the blades are still removable.

All the best, Stan

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thejdman01

08-31-2005 13:53:57




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 Re: Concrete stuck in mixer in reply to Hal/WA, 08-30-2005 19:58:17  
air hammer. its the way they do it with the big concrete trucks they try to wash down use acid but eventaully builds up thats a noisy horrible hot job sitting inside that drum with an air hammer. with foam ear plugs and ear muffs still a loud hot job but you should be ok



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Dave Sherburne,NY

08-31-2005 10:01:21




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 Re: Concrete stuck in mixer in reply to Hal/WA, 08-30-2005 19:58:17  
I used to fill mine with large rocks and turn
it on . Probrobly won't work with one that full
tho.



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ScottP

08-31-2005 09:09:14




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 Re: Concrete stuck in mixer in reply to Hal/WA, 08-30-2005 19:58:17  
Hal
Turn the drum so it is facing up like a cup. Then fill with coca-cola or other cheap soft drink.
The acids in the soda will eat the cement.
The floor in the warehouse that I work is eatched from leaking soda. You can see the perfect outline of the pallets.
Scott



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Bus Driver

08-31-2005 05:05:04




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 Re: Concrete stuck in mixer in reply to Hal/WA, 08-30-2005 19:58:17  
My mixer has blades inside which are held with bolts that have the head outside. I remove the bolts and blades. All that remains is the drum and light hammer taps on the outside loosens the concrete buildup. The blades are easily cleaned while out of the drum.



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Ducknose Bob

08-31-2005 03:46:08




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 Re: Concrete stuck in mixer in reply to Hal/WA, 08-30-2005 19:58:17  
Turn the drum so the heavy side is on top, give it a few good whacks with a BIG hammer, and gravity will do the rest.



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JImmy King

08-31-2005 02:49:26




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 Re: Concrete stuck in mixer in reply to Hal/WA, 08-30-2005 19:58:17  
A guy borrowed my Dads mixer one time and it came home thet way he never did get it all out, but most with a coal chisel and a hammer.



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smurph72

08-30-2005 23:19:53




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 Re: Concrete stuck in mixer in reply to Hal/WA, 08-30-2005 19:58:17  
there's a company close to me that makes a liquid that will turn concrete to an oatmeal consistency. they recently sold to US Rentals (i think...). anyway, see if you can find out what your local concrete contractor is using to soften concrete for removal besides brute force or check with a tool rental company for suggestions...sorry i can't remember the product name

google for concrete removal

Link
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turned up these 2, more available, just listed these for example, haven't used either one.

just to show that there's other ways besides mechanical removal.

dcm

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Truetramp

08-30-2005 22:55:32




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 Re: Concrete stuck in mixer in reply to Hal/WA, 08-30-2005 19:58:17  
I had the same problem with one given to me, i used a big hammer drill an honeycombed the block, with a 1 inch bit,an poured water in the holes an let them freeze, it did the trick, but my dad came along an said why didn't you just drill more holes an it would of busted out of there alot earlier by hand,..... ...Rick



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big jt

08-30-2005 22:37:31




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 Re: Concrete stuck in mixer in reply to Hal/WA, 08-30-2005 19:58:17  
One other idea is Hydrachloric acid.

OOOORRRRR you could do what they did on the Discovery Channel show Mythbusters. They took a old concrete truck loaded it with 800 pounds of explosive and lit. Very effectively removed the concrete from the truck. Of course it also VVVEEEERRRRYYY effectively removed the truck also. I never tire of seeing that footage. One second there is a truck, next a cloud of smoke, then the next JUST a crater. Cracks me up every time.

jt

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jeffcat

08-31-2005 20:44:16




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 Re: Concrete stuck in mixer in reply to big jt, 08-30-2005 22:37:31  
Was that a HOOT or what??!!!! That poor MACK truck just went WOOOOO MP! Just love those big bangs. Jeffcat



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Ludwig

08-31-2005 13:03:03




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 Re: Concrete stuck in mixer in reply to big jt, 08-30-2005 22:37:31  
Dang, I should have posted sooner so I could mention that one.

Its amazing huh, just "wooof!"



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bill b va

08-30-2005 20:22:52




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 Re: Concrete stuck in mixer in reply to Hal/WA, 08-30-2005 19:58:17  

just a thought ... try some calcuim chloride on it . sure does eat up side walks .



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MAC in TX

08-30-2005 20:19:51




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 Re: Concrete stuck in mixer in reply to Hal/WA, 08-30-2005 19:58:17  
Try an air chisel.



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Hawaii rocky

08-30-2005 20:43:39




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 Re: Concrete stuck in mixer in reply to MAC in TX, 08-30-2005 20:19:51  
Hal is right. I cleaned one out with an air chisel and it didn't take near as long as I thought it would.



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RustyFarmall

08-30-2005 21:53:13




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 Re: Concrete stuck in mixer in reply to Hawaii rocky, 08-30-2005 20:43:39  
A needle scaler would be even better, just like an air hammer, but less likely to damage the steel drum.



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paul

08-30-2005 20:09:04




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 Re: Concrete stuck in mixer in reply to Hal/WA, 08-30-2005 19:58:17  
Is there a thin edge that you can break out with the hammer banging? Don't attack the thickest part first - start at the thin spots.

I'm thinking the mixer won't survive the freeze/ thaw stuff, and even the sharp bar being thrust into it will eventaully leave a hole in the wall. :)

Heating the outside can make it a bit warped, but will have a similar effect to the freezing.

I'd keep banging with the hammer myself, even if it doesn't fall out today, you create crack lines that will fall out eventually. Run it with some rocks for a while, they might help bang it up.

--->Paul

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