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Aux power unit suprise

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txgrn

08-28-2005 00:00:29




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Bought this Generac aux power unit several years ago because the local power co. was having a problem keeping the lights on and in the summer I like my AC; even if it is only in one room....ala small power unit.

Ok it has a Tecumseh 10 hp engine and not being a fan of theirs (for their reasons) I didn't think much of it. Had this neat (ha) little accessory that shuts down the engine if the oil level gets too low. Great idea if you use oil which new engines usually don't.


Had it sitting unused for a couple of years. Got it out to use and after installing new fuel fired it off.

Ran for awhile and then started coughing and would die. Kept getting worse. I figured the magneto (solid state ignition unit)got soggy sitting up and was going to go and get another, but wanted to take this one with me to insure that I get the correct part.

Got the housing off and saw the wire to the magneto that killed it when you wanted to shut it down which was connected to the on/off switch wherein in the on position, the low oil switch was connected....which was grounded by design. So if the low oil switch malfunctions in the short direction, you loose ignition. Hmmmmm m

Pulled it off and with a piece of rope lit it off. Let it run for about 30 minutes...purred like a kitten..... .so much for gadgets.

Tomorrow the unit is going back together without any ground wire and when I want to kill it I'll just turn off the fuel.....and to heck with low oil warning.

Might help someone save some money sometime when the problem seems to be a bad magneto and isn't.

Mark

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Fawteen

08-29-2005 02:22:39




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 Re: Aux power unit suprise in reply to txgrn, 08-28-2005 00:00:29  
We have probably a couple of dozen Honda powered machines at work, all of which have the low oil shutoff option. We wind up replacing 2 or 3 a year that have failed and keep the engine from starting/running.

They are a PITA to replace (gotta split the cases). Can't say that I'd recommend defeating it for a machine that's likely to run unattended for long periods tho.



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txgrn

08-29-2005 05:21:05




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 Re: Aux power unit suprise in reply to Fawteen, 08-29-2005 02:22:39  
Hear you on that. Mine is either running a portable welder or if the power is off is sitting outside the back door with extension cords into the house to run essentials..... .beer cooler and AC. Ha.

And before anyone jumps me, I know about carbon monoxide poisioning and how to prevent it.

Mark



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buickanddeere

08-29-2005 16:19:51




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 Re: Aux power unit suprise in reply to txgrn, 08-29-2005 05:21:05  
Ist thing they taught us in fire school is to stay uphill and upwind from the incident. #2 was every fire will eventually go out on it's own.



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txgrn

08-30-2005 15:56:35




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 Re: Aux power unit suprise in reply to buickanddeere, 08-29-2005 16:19:51  
What fire?



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buickanddeere

08-30-2005 17:06:09




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 Re: Aux power unit suprise in reply to txgrn, 08-30-2005 15:56:35  
None around the generator I hope. What I was trying to say was it's important to put yourself and things in a safe place. Uphill and upwind from anything that could be dangerous is a good idea when possible.That incluides the exhaust from generators. We have all heard of several people smothering themselves with CO because they didn't think.



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Mike M

08-28-2005 18:58:32




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 Re: Aux power unit suprise in reply to txgrn, 08-28-2005 00:00:29  
I hope your oil shut down wasn't right and it needed oil ? A guy I work with burned one up because he unhooked that oil shut down. He swears he checked the oil and it had enough ? Low and behold after running a short time with the switch unhooked a rod went out the side of the block.



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txgrn

08-29-2005 05:18:14




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 Re: Aux power unit suprise in reply to Mike M, 08-28-2005 18:58:32  
Yepper and it's Mobil 1.

Mark



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buickanddeere

08-28-2005 20:34:14




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 Re: Aux power unit suprise in reply to Mike M, 08-28-2005 18:58:32  
Hmmmmm funny, that "checked the oil" story is heard a lot at the service counter.



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buickanddeere

08-28-2005 07:15:28




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 Re: Aux power unit suprise in reply to txgrn, 08-28-2005 00:00:29  
I can't get comforatble with disabling the low oil shut off switch. They are not too expensive. It's ok if someone that is mechanically inclined and not distracted by other factors while the utility grid is down. There has been a pile of generator engines grind to a halt with low oil level. Seems to be the mostly the people who "T" in a larger fuel tank. Or those who re-fuel while running. Seems to be during every large scale outage somebody either gets burned, burns the buildings down. Or sufferes CO inhalation from the exhaust. Of course the other two pet peives are. Those who are already in the price of generator but scrimp and save, when only $100.00 more. Would purchase a generator larger and closer to what they need. Then there are those who back-feed into welder, stove or clothes dryer receptacles.

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txgrn

08-28-2005 07:28:02




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 Re: Aux power unit suprise in reply to buickanddeere, 08-28-2005 07:15:28  
That's very dangerous for the power company line man and also handling the plugs with the conductors exposed. You can bet they don't have a service disconnect; but they might, if they have a main breaker that they can disconnect....if they remember to do so.

If I were going to use mine for an extended period or for anything important, I probably would replace it. Besides, if it starts using oil, I will know it and I check ;the level prior to each use.

Thanks,

Mark

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Charles (in GA)

08-28-2005 06:56:25




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 Re: Aux power unit suprise in reply to txgrn, 08-28-2005 00:00:29  
My homeowners association owns our water wells and we have a 10K Generac/Datyon branded unit on one of the wells. Last winter when it was apparent we were going to have a huge ice storm, I brought the generator to the shop and serviced it. Problem is, it would crank and run and die after about 30 seconds. I messed with it all afternoon and had a couple of non-mechanical neighbors come by to "help", which didn't help at all considering the rush I was in to get it going.

Finally one neighbor called and I talked with him and described what it was doing, he mentioned he had owned a motor home with a generator with a low oil pressure switch..... . at which point I interrupted him and said "yes it does, and no, I hadn't thought to check it" By the time he had got down the street to my shop, I had it disconnected and running fine..... I replaced the swith the next week.

The 30 seconds was a time delay built in to allow the unit to get up and running before the switch was put into the kill circuit.

Charles

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txgrn

08-28-2005 07:23:07




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 Re: Aux power unit suprise in reply to Charles (in GA), 08-28-2005 06:56:25  
One thing I do like about the new "solid state" ignitions is that they are one piece and easy to trouble shoot.....not like having to remove the flywheel and go chasing after points and condenser.

Haven't figured out what they have done. The core has gone from a "C" to an "E" which gives them a priming winding and a main winding. May just be a plain old magneto....magnet passing by a coil of wire..... Don't know if a transistor or similar electronic device is embedded in the epoxy or not. Don't know how accurate the firing has to be timed and whether or not it can be controlled by just magnetics. Sorta doubt it with the variables in cores, gaps and all, that's why I think there is a transistor...but where'd they put it? The package isn't that big and you have to have room for the bobbins and windings. Just dunno! Maybe if I kill one one of these days, I'll take it apart and have a look see.

Mark

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buickanddeere

08-28-2005 10:32:58




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 Re: Aux power unit suprise in reply to txgrn, 08-28-2005 07:23:07  
The retro-fit solid state ignition they tie into an old point style mag system on a Tecumseh etc. That has to be a bit of clever engineering.



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