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Eick2

08-24-2005 15:46:32

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Got the new HF tool flyer today; noticed that sale prices on quite a few items are higher than they used to be.

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Gary Schafer

08-29-2005 19:59:23

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Re: Tool prices up? in reply to Eick2, 08-24-2005 15:46:32

All prices will be going up from China. They are now floating their dollar rather than having it track ours.

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Gary

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Uncle Sam

08-27-2005 05:41:31

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Re: Tool prices up? in reply to Eick2, 08-24-2005 15:46:32

Harbor fruit is junk! I made the mistake of buying a mill vise from them. After spend hours re-machining it will almost hold the part square... until the next time you have to clamp it. The holes for the harden jaws were off about 1/8" and the back block line tapped. Tried to cancel the order but once they got your card number that�s� it no going back. Also bought an American trail bike. I had to machine the axel because the sprocket and disk brake were running out about 3/16", could not believe how much the American quality had dropped. Just as I was assembling saw the little gold tag, Made in Taiwan.

There is only one thing worse then something made in a chong wrong dong country and that is the dumb A** that bought it.

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Nolan

08-30-2005 04:03:21

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Re: Tool prices up? in reply to Uncle Sam, 08-27-2005 05:41:31

Some of their stuff is junk, some of it is excellent. The wise buyer choses with care.

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MarkB_MI

08-25-2005 16:17:27

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Re: Tool prices up? in reply to Eick2, 08-24-2005 15:46:32

I have visited the local Harbor Freight store several times, and I always leave wondering why I bothered. Most of the stuff I wouldn't take home if THEY paid ME.

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Davis In SC

08-25-2005 20:34:22

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Re: Tool prices up? in reply to MarkB_MI, 08-25-2005 16:17:27

Yes, I agree... kinda like a tool version of Walmart... Good reason to stay away...

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Nolan

08-25-2005 06:22:46

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Re: Tool prices up? in reply to Eick2, 08-24-2005 15:46:32

HF routinely cycles their sales. Both up and down in price, and if what they offer. This months flier wasn't good for handtool prices, but very good if you're looking for their power tools. Their framing nailers is on sale for $89, regular price of $199.

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jocco

08-25-2005 05:45:06

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Re: Tool prices up? in reply to Eick2, 08-24-2005 15:46:32

actully what happend was the chinese went on strike and formed a labor union. There version of osha also stepped in. and Dewey & Cheet"em Good sued.

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Roy Suomi

08-24-2005 21:59:58

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Re: Tool prices up? in reply to Eick2, 08-24-2005 15:46:32

Hey Bud , Look around , everything is more expensive..... Heck I can remember filling up my new '68 Torino for under 5 bucks.. Ain't it great????? ?

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Davis In SC

08-24-2005 18:51:17

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Re: Tool prices up? in reply to Eick2, 08-24-2005 15:46:32

I try to follow the China threat....Here is what is happening... As more & more US manufacturers go out of business, there is no other source of tools & other items.. Soon, after nothing is made here, they can raise the prices to whatever level they want. Sad thing is, once our manufacturers close, they will never re-open... So we will be stuck paying high prices for poor quality goods. I see & hear on a daily basis, that all of our customer are getting their work done in China. Then they have the nerve to want us to make it work... It is a tragedy what is happening...

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ntmcj

08-29-2005 23:37:23

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Re: Tool prices up? in reply to Davis In SC, 08-24-2005 18:51:17

You really want to know what is going wrong with the manufacturing in this country. I will give you a PRIME example. There is a large cement manufacturing plant about 40 miles from where I live here in SC. The workers have staged a strike. You want to know what they are striking about? The company wants them to pay between $40 and $100 per month to help offset healthcare costs which the plant had previously paid 100%. The health costs, like everywhere else, had skyrocketed and the plant had recently invested millions to upgrade the plant for safety and efficiency. The lowest paid labor at this plant is in the labor pool where everyone starts out. They shovel slag and perform other lesser skilled tasks. Want to know what they start out at? $18 an hour plus benefits. Where else, especially in this part of the country, can a 20 year old kid start out making a wage with benefits like that. The average salary at the plant is $65,000 per year. And they want to gripe about paying a small pittance of their income for health care. I pay $120 a month for health insurance,(employer pays the other 2/3) and I am single and don't make anywhere near $65,000 per year. And I'm so thankful that I only have to pay $120 per month for health coverage. Sorry, Just had to put in my two cents worth.

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loko17

08-25-2005 07:56:45

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Re: Tool prices up? in reply to Davis In SC, 08-24-2005 18:51:17

I worked for a large pharmecutical company for 27 years (until they decided that they didn't need me anymore). I took "the package" and ran but anyway over those 27 years, I watched this exodus of our manufacturing jobs to other countries. The excuse that our company gave us then and that big business will give you now is that by improving the third world nation's standards of living, the world will be a better place. The idea that they project is that eventually, we will all be on or near the same plane as far as standards of living goes. What I see is that yes, eventually we probably will be on or near that plane but it will not be "them" catching up to "us", it will be "us" getting closer to "them". The truth of the matter is that this move is designed totally out of GREED by the big companies to make more money for themselves and their stockholders even if it means selling out our country to do it!

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BobMo

08-25-2005 05:09:07

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Re: Tool prices up? in reply to Davis In SC, 08-24-2005 18:51:17

Davis, the problem is your scope of the problem is limited to blaming China.
You have to keep in mind that the Chinese didn't do this on their own. American companies trying to find cheaper ways to produce goods did it. If you think that the Chinese have been making battery chargers and Crescent wrenches waiting to sell them to their US customers all along your wrong. The technology to build most items we buy from them has been shipped from the US and Europe to them in order for them to set up factories to build the same and that includes everything from scoop to nuts.
We are our own worst enemy when it comes to trade and the government helps by providing things like "Most favored Nation" status to country�s like China. Why do you think the government tends to ignore things like illegal immigration from Mexico when it won't stand for it from Canada?

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pbutler

08-26-2005 11:42:24

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Re: Tool prices up? in reply to BobMo, 08-25-2005 05:09:07

Sad to say but that is the way the system and a free market economy works.

People like to Bi$# about a company sending MFG jobs overseas. Yet if they don't some other company will and will produce the cheaper product and they are out of business anyway. If not out of business the MGMT will lose their jobs becuase their stock is underperforming the company that is sending the stuff overseas.

Yes, if we could get everyone to buy only american made products we could probably stop or reverse the trend. Good luck, going to work about as well as those silly email chains saying "Don't buy Gas on Tuesday".

We either need to learn to work with it or pay the price.

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TomR Ont.

08-25-2005 19:12:43

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Re: Tool prices up? in reply to BobMo, 08-25-2005 05:09:07

BobMo - I don't think Davis was just blaming the Chineese ("I see & hear on a daily basis, that all of our customer are getting their work done in China. Then they have the nerve to want us to make it work...")....His customers fault.
I know this has been going on for the past 40 years, that I know of! The only difference is the name of the countries were different.
When things get too expensive there, the work will move to another poor country, it may take a little longer than Japan, Mexico, India because of the huge population in China.
But I'd bet the next one will be Africa, We've been sending aid and money there for as long as I can remember. Just enough to keep them going untill we need their labour.
There are only Three places to put the blame,
Our Governments - for allowing unchecked imports
Corporations - for moving whole factories out
Ourselves - for buying a lot of cheap crap from Wall Mart and other large department stores, and the $1.00 stores.

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Davis In SC

08-25-2005 20:52:17

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Re: Tool prices up? in reply to TomR Ont., 08-25-2005 19:12:43

Thanks Tom... You hit the nail on the head.... I assume from the ONT, you are in Canada....At the shop, I buy a lot of parts from a Canadian Co. It does not bother me at all, because we are on a level playing field... & quality of those parts is great... In fact that same Co. has built a plant 2 miles up the road from us... Last week, I told off a customer.. he had a Chinese mold, it was junk, & he wanted me to fix it for free... I doubt if I ever see him again... LOL We have gotten spoiled by cheap goods from 3rd World countries.. most Americans are addicted to shopping at Walmart, buying cheap junk, only to throw it away next week.. We need to go back to living like our forefathers, living on just the basics....

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TomR Ont.

08-26-2005 21:46:30

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Re: Tool prices up? in reply to Davis In SC, 08-25-2005 20:52:17

Davis In SC - Yes I'm in Canada about 90 miles N/E of Toronto which suites me just fine, but their closing in fast, and the TAXES are right behind them - what am I saying the high TAXES are already here waiting for them. I rembemer as a kid saying that's just cheep Jap Junk (most plastic in the 50s drop it, you broke it)
If China plays their cards right and gets their quality up to where Japan's got to about 10 years ago, we will be in for some serious unemployment because again their population and politics.
We have become a service industry country - don't make much of anything just shuffel paper and nuke burgers.

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Dick2

08-25-2005 04:52:31

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Re: Tool prices up? in reply to Davis In SC, 08-24-2005 18:51:17

A lot of people think that Americans are smart, but we may end up being another society that "dumbed" ourselves out of existance. It certainly isn't smart to let vital industries move out of the country and lose our skills and capabilities. Also isn't smart to build houses on all of the best farmland, that will eventually make us dependent on other countries for food. I could go on and on, but you can come up with many, many more things we should not be doing 'cause it ain't smart.

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Slowpoke

08-25-2005 23:15:15

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Re: Tool prices up? in reply to Dick2, 08-25-2005 04:52:31

Ah, yes, the housing shortage. We need that farmland to build 'affordable housing'. I'm sure we've all seen the guy standing on the corner, holding a cardboard sign reading "Will work for housing". My city two years ago decided we need 13,500 new apartments over the next few years. They're sprouting up all over the place, 3 and 4 stories high. They'll be the future "inner city projects". Of course, the cities never mention that housing brings in a tremendous increase in property taxes and sales taxes over what they got from a farmer whose been there for 40, 50 years or more. And as far as the tens of thousands more people moving in.....
Sorry, I just had to say something!

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Ludwig

08-25-2005 14:33:23

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Re: Tool prices up? in reply to Dick2, 08-25-2005 04:52:31

I heard an interesting comment the other day that years of high paying factory jobs may have been one of the causes for the dumbing of America. So what if Johnny can't read if he can get a high paying factory job just like his old man.
Its only been hip to be smart for a couple years now and even today its not THAT hip to be smart. We still reward chowderheads all over the place.

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buss

08-25-2005 18:06:15

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Re: Tool prices up? in reply to Ludwig, 08-25-2005 14:33:23

I don,t think labor really is that dumb when you start looking at some ideas mangement has of helping our country.no i meant their bonus, Yes we will really fall short when all the talent has beeen lost. as I said before if we have to fight a war we will have to have our oppenent supply our weapons Do you think we can win I don,t. with all the job losses we won,t have any buying power anyway

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Midwest redneck

08-25-2005 02:16:38

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Re: Tool prices up? in reply to Davis In SC, 08-24-2005 18:51:17

Yep, it is a tradgedy but we did it to ourselves. everybody wants something for nothing and the lawyers want to sue every business into chap. 11. Aint it sad.

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Alvin NE WI

08-24-2005 18:22:19

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Re: Tool prices up? in reply to Eick2, 08-24-2005 15:46:32

probably due to the high cost of fuel in china, or maybe a foundry worker went on strike there. i use my paper from them for sstarting burn barrel fire..

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Glenn F.

08-24-2005 17:45:57

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Re: Tool prices up? in reply to Eick2, 08-24-2005 15:46:32

I threw my copy in a round file I keep beside my desk. Good place for it. Glenn F.

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MSM

08-24-2005 16:52:24

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Re: Tool prices up? in reply to Eick2, 08-24-2005 15:46:32

Probably do to a "fuel adjustment surcharge".

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Dannie

08-25-2005 02:46:58

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Re: Tool prices up? in reply to MSM, 08-24-2005 16:52:24

If companys keep sending work out of the U.S. jobs will go with them,and with no job who can buy????? ????? ????

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RON (N. AZ)

08-25-2005 16:12:07

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Re: Tool prices up? in reply to Dannie, 08-25-2005 02:46:58

Isn"t it amazing that all of these genuises that run corp. American haven"t figured that out yet! Or, maybe they just don"t care. After all they got their slice of the pie.

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