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Lee

01-24-2001 07:20:55

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Looking into getting a 2500lbs winch for multiple purposes around the property. Have looked at both 12v and AC. Which would be best. Do 12volt AC converters work well in such situations or is it best to just go 12volt. TIA

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Junkman

02-02-2001 21:27:53

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Re: Winches in reply to Lee, 01-24-2001 07:20:55

Lee, I recently got a Ramsey 5000# winch from a friend for pulling dead cars onto my trailer. It is a 12 volt unit that I use an Interstate deep cycle battery to power. I have only pulled 3 cars with it so far, but I have not recharged the battery in between pulls and I have not noticed any loss in power yet. If you need more pulling power you can go with the double line pull, like one of the other guys said, and pull the cable through a pulley hooked to the object you are trying to move and then back to a solid anchor point close to the winch. This will double your pulling power and that extra pulley with a hook to chain to whatever you are pulling is a lot cheaper than stepping up to the next size bigger winch. I also would not go anything smaller than 5000#.
John

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alan

02-02-2001 07:06:34

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Re: Winches in reply to Lee, 01-24-2001 07:20:55

I have a Warn 8000# winch mounted on my 1981 chev 4x4 pickup. If you are going to do much real pulling get a big winch, at least 8000#, I have stalled mine trying to pull stuff. You can cause damage to your truck with a winch, the friend I bought mine from had his pickup stuck once and pulled the pickup off of the front axle once, my winch is mounted on a push bar made of 1/2" steel and I tore it off of the pickup once. I have 2 batteries mounted in my pickup, one just for the winch. I have burned out lots of alternators since I instaled the winch. I talked to an alternater rebuilder and he told me to run the engine while useing the winch and when done let the pickup idle for 5 minutes or so to recharge the battery. He explained that when I would use the winch and then just drive off the high rate of charge would burn out the regulater, when I started doing as he said the alternaters lasted a lot longeer.

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Salmoneye

01-25-2001 13:59:11

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Re: Winches in reply to Lee, 01-24-2001 07:20:55

If you are only thinking that you need a 2500# winch, just get a 2 ton come-a-long and some chain.
They are cheap, easy, and portable.

If you want an electric winch, go DC and get something rated for 2 to 3 times the 'rolling weight' that you think you will need.
Most electric winches are not rated for continuous duty and need to cool quite some time between hitches.
If you think you will ever need a contiuous duty rig the only real choice is a hydraulic setup.
They can pull all day long and come back for more. The only real drawback is that they need a motor running to turn a pump. This can be a PTO, stinger off the crank shaft or belt driven.

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bbott

01-24-2001 14:35:15

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Re: Winches in reply to Lee, 01-24-2001 07:20:55

For portability and safety I'd go straight 12V
off a battery.

These winches draw big amp loads that will kill most solid state inverters.

The thought about mounting the winch
to a standard 2" square tubing receiver
insert is a good one. Gives you lots
of flexability.

Be sure to use real heavy gauge
copper wire leads... these puppies do suck juice.

Also watch your duty cycle. Most of these
winches are designed for intermittent duty
(like getting your neighbor's truck unstuck) ...there's usually no cooling you can burn em' up by over working them.

Also, they (mostly) aren't designed for safe overhead lifting...unless they specifically say so in their specs...

bbott

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Erich

01-24-2001 14:17:28

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Re: Winches in reply to Lee, 01-24-2001 07:20:55

I just recently had a job where I needed about 4000 pounds of lifting force. I slung a ramsey 12 Volt 12000# rated worm gear winch, along with a battery and charger about 40' off the floor. A double line pull was used. We used it for several weeks, lifting a couple times a day. The charger was only plugged in when we were around. It worked for the project. I don't know if it was the best way to go, but it seemed to be the cheapest, based on our requirements. I didn't come up with any reasons to do it differently if a similar situation arose. Maybe someone else could point out possible problems with the system.

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Franz

01-24-2001 13:48:59

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Re: Winches in reply to Lee, 01-24-2001 07:20:55

Having a lot of experience with putting these things back together, I'd first ask what you intend to do with it. No matter what, go with a brand name you are going to be able to get parts for. Most of the bargin units on Ebay turn to junk quick for want of repair parts. Stay away from ceramic magnet motors. As far as inverters go, the efficiency is way too low, definitely not the way to run a winch. I have a radio shop that tried running a tugger for antenna erection off one, set their service truck on fire in the process. Inverters waste lots of energy in heat.

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F14...Another Option

01-24-2001 13:15:11

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Re: Winches in reply to Lee, 01-24-2001 07:20:55

I've seen portable winches powered by small chainsaw engines. No experience at all with them, no idea what line pull they're rated at, but might be worth a check.

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T_Bone

01-24-2001 11:23:45

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Re: Winches in reply to Lee, 01-24-2001 07:20:55

Hi Lee, The best and cheapest way would be to use a battery to run the winch, then recharge the battery. You really need a dicated battery for the winch of proper amp/hr capicity. A inverter draws more than what a direct 12v winch would draw.

I had a 400w inverter, about 3.5amps @ 115vac that would draw two 105amp/hr deep cycle batterys dead in 4hrs of continuous use. Most inveters use the same input amps, mine was 40amp input, while at minmium or maxmium output wattage.

T_Bone

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Fred OH

01-24-2001 09:58:05

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Re: Winches in reply to Lee, 01-24-2001 07:20:55

Have you looked at the winches amperage draw at 12 volts? It would take a pretty good 12 volt power supply to run it. Probably about like a ham radio power supply; 25 to 35 amp at around $100 to $150. Stay with the 12 volt model and drag a battery with you if you need to use it inside and longer (and larger) leads clipped onto a vehicle's battery or a battery charger. You could use the AC model outside if you have a portable generator, but the 12 volter would be handier than an extra girlfriend. L8R----Fred OH

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F14

01-24-2001 07:27:46

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Re: Winches in reply to Lee, 01-24-2001 07:20:55

The handiest thing I've ever used is my Ramsay Quick-Mount winch. It plugs into a standard 2" hitch (Reese) receiver. I have mounts front and back on my truck, one on the tongue of my trailer, one for the tractor, and one on the boom of my logging arch. Mine is rated at 4500 pounds straight pull. Wiring up quick connectors for power is a one-time deal that takes a while, but well worth it.

If you need winch power where you can't put a tractor or a truck, I'd think 110V would be the way to go, but I don't recall seeing any 110 winches with much rated pull. Perhaps someone else has some experience with them.

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