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June

08-16-2005 14:33:44

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Hope you folks don't mind if I come in with some o/t stuff ,but I could use some info. My commute is 160 miles round trip and I have been thinking about buying a used diesel Jetta,maybe a 2000 or 01 model,this is all my pocket can stand. Do any of you own a car like this now or have previously owned one. Just would like some comments about the reliability of this car and what I need to look out for when shopping for one. Thanks

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08-19-2005 21:34:06

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Re: Volkswagon Jetta in reply to June, 08-16-2005 14:33:44

Drove a early 80's VW diesel one summer, got 45-50 MPG. Had difficulty starting in cooler weather, primed with a bit of gas in aircleaner. Was told that glow plugs wear out/burnout, replacement with newer design would help start in cold, but when replaceing glow plugs the old ones would sometimes break and the head would have to be removed to finish job. About 10% breakage meant every 3rd job in a shop would have a broken plug to extract, and about every 3rd broken plug had to have head removed. Brother drives a Escort diesel now, glow plug drill is about the same as IHC560 diesel, no problem in spring to fall- winter in Iowa does cause difficulty in starting, engine heater needed. Otherwise, change oil and filters and run it, no worse than gas engined models, watch brakes and eletrical. RN.

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Kendall

08-19-2005 14:48:27

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Re: Volkswagon Jetta in reply to June, 08-16-2005 14:33:44

I've got my eye on that car as well, but dont really need another car just now. I'd consider a one or two year old car instead of one as old as you're talking about. The previous owner may have gotten rid of it because it needs too many assorted repairs. The engine may be fine, but think of every thing else that a car needs after so many miles and years. Someone told me about his friend with a VW TDI car that drives from way south of town to way north of town for work everyday and has done so for 4 or 5 years and no problems with the engine.

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dr.sportster

08-19-2005 12:19:36

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Re: Volkswagon Jetta in reply to June, 08-16-2005 14:33:44

If its nay American its crap!

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Hal/WA

08-17-2005 20:02:54

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Re: Volkswagon Jetta in reply to June, 08-16-2005 14:33:44

My brother has a 2005 Jetta TDI station wagon with a stick transmission. It is actually his second 2005 Jetta, since his first one got totalled in April with only about 3000 miles on it. A fire engine ran a red light at a blind intersection and my brother T-boned the pumper at about 25mph. The good news was that neither my brother or his wife were hurt very much--the air bags deployed, and the fire department's insurance company bought my brother another new car. It probably would have killed my sister in law if the fire truck had been a little farther down the street and hit my brother's car in its side. The pumper was almost not damaged by the collision.

We had some serious discussions with the fire department officials. I hope they will be more careful about running red lights. The same department killed a guy in a restored Model A about 30 years ago running a red light at speed..... Code or no code, it is just plain wrong if you hurt or kill someone.

My brother likes the Jetta. They took it to visit their daughter in Arizona in June and got about 40 to 45 mpg on the trip. Not bad for a brand new car! It is still too new to really say how well they will like it over long term. They have had Subarus and most recently a Suzuki 4x4. They plan to use the Jetta as mostly a fair weather car, since where they live they need 4 wheel drive to get home in the winter.

One thing my brother has griped about is that between the time he started to get the first Jetta TDI and now, the price of diesel at the pump has almost doubled. Diesel now costs more than premium gas here. Oh for the days when diesel cost about half of what regular gas did!

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Cliff (VA)

08-17-2005 14:06:42

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Re: Volkswagon Jetta in reply to June, 08-16-2005 14:33:44

All of the German auto manufacturers have had reliability problems. When the electronic content in the cars skyrocketed in the late 90's so did the reliability problems. It seems that some of the electronic modules in the cars were not properly designed to withstand the environment that they were in (a car is a horrible place for electronics). Also the replacement modules are expensive.

It also becomes a numbers game. It used to be that the only electronics in the vehicle were the radio and the electronic ignition. Now a days there are little body controllers and some such everywhere. Two modules with a 0.01% chance of failure gives an aggregate chance of failure of 0.019%. 40 modules with the same failure rate have a .39% overall chance of failure

As an engineer formerly with a major automotive electronics supplier, Volkswagon was a customer of ours. What we made for them was top notch and extremely reliable. They seemed to make an excellent car. But they also got electronics happy in the late 90's.

All that being said, the people that I know that owned one all seem to like them very much. I hope if you buy one you are happpy with it.

Good luck,

Cliff (VA)

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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

08-17-2005 15:00:30

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At what point are there too many electronic compon in reply to Cliff (VA), 08-17-2005 14:06:42

My mechanic suggested that when considering a used car a buyer's panic point comes when he discovers the gas pedal is connected to a circuit board, rather than the throttle body. At that time VW had a cable and Passat had a board. He advised me strongly against the larger model.

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Ludwig

08-17-2005 08:06:32

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Re: Volkswagon Jetta in reply to June, 08-16-2005 14:33:44

I've been considering one but in my price range <$5000 they're pretty well worn. They'll do an honest 50mpg if you keep your foot out of the go pedal. I'm looking at an '84 Mercedes-Benz 190D 2.2l which should give an honest 40mpg. This one only has 157k for $3500.

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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

08-16-2005 20:42:36

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Re: Volkswagon Jetta in reply to June, 08-16-2005 14:33:44

We had a gas Jetta for 19 years. Pretty good family/commuter car. Fun to drive, simple to fix, and economical.

I quit commuting with it when I got sick of aquaplaning around on slush and bought a rear wheel drive, then a 4WD.

One thing about the diesel engine: if there is any evidence the crankshaft pulley has been off, run. Two horror stories I have heard about TDI's have to do with that pulley not staying on if incorrectly tightened.

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Charles (in GA)

08-16-2005 20:21:29

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Re: Volkswagon Jetta in reply to June, 08-16-2005 14:33:44

April 2004 Consumer reports had a "best buy used cars under $6000" A side bar article was the "don't ever, never, buy cars" The entire VW lineup in the '98-'00 range was in there if I recall.

Not to say that I believe them. I do hear that VW had some reliability issues, but I wouldn't hesitate to buy one if I found a '00-'02 TDI for the right price. I usually try to buy the old man's car, the guy who can't drive anymore and has a 4-6 year old clean car or truck. Thats what I look for. My commute is about 100 mile round trip.

Charles

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dhermesc

08-17-2005 05:35:57

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Re: Volkswagon Jetta in reply to Charles (in GA), 08-16-2005 20:21:29

I lost all faith in Consumer Reports almost 20 years ago when they screwed Audi over on the "majic acceleration in reverse problem". Might be payback for Volkswagen not buying any add space in their rag.

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Ludwig

08-17-2005 10:08:48

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Re: Volkswagon Jetta in reply to dhermesc, 08-17-2005 05:35:57

My great uncle and I lost respect for them at the same time. He wanted to buy a vacuum cleaner and read an article about them in consumer reports. Well he was a tightwad my uncle Reg so he went to the vacuum cleaner repair guy and asked about the consumer reports top model. The guy happened to have one all apart and showed all the plastic parts inside and how cheaply it was made. Instead talked Reg into buying the lowest rated model because it was all metal inside.
Why was it the lowest rated? Weight, price and noise...
Reg died 3 years ago, he had that vacuum for like 15 years, his sister took it after he died and still uses it.

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Dr.EVIL

08-17-2005 13:55:49

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Re: Volkswagon Jetta in reply to Ludwig, 08-17-2005 10:08:48

Wife & I did the same thing... EXACT same thing. CR recommended a plastic piece of JUNK but We bought the all metal one with ball bearing wheels, etc. etc. Cost more than the CR recommended one but Wife & I will never wear it out. Some of the stuff may be ligitimate but for the most part their BIAS's are showing. Nothing made in the US is any good.... and Japanese stuff is the greatest.

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Steve/TN

08-17-2005 09:09:03

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Re: Volkswagon Jetta in reply to dhermesc, 08-17-2005 05:35:57

I think that Consumer Report is ad-free.

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Ryan - WI

08-16-2005 20:12:22

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Re: Volkswagon Jetta in reply to June, 08-16-2005 14:33:44

I also own a TDI Beetle. We absolutely love the car and the engine is designed to be bulletproof. I have never had a major problem with the car and intend to keep it for quite some time.

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lpgasonly

08-16-2005 19:31:06

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Re: Volkswagon Jetta in reply to June, 08-16-2005 14:33:44

I own a beatle with the same motor in it. I bought it with 51K on it. I can't wait to go to work in the morning so I get to drive that car. I live in WI. and don't ever plug it in. It sets outside all the time. At 100k it had to have a EGR valve replaced and intake cleaned as do most of them. Might be due for a timming belt now. I change oil every 10K and use recomended synthetic oil. (tdiclub.com) is a good site to visit for these. Good luck and have fun with it!

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mike brown

08-16-2005 18:05:20

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Re: Volkswagon Jetta in reply to June, 08-16-2005 14:33:44

I own a diesel jetta (2000) 5 speed and get about 48-50 mpg on summer fuel, 45 in winter due to lighter fuel. Vw has had some reliability issues though mine has been a good car. The cost to buy has gone through the roof since gas prices have sky rocketed.
The tdi club web site is the best place to get all the low down on what to look at when checking out a car.
A fifty cent increase in the price of fuel equals a penny a mile increase in the cost of driving

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Dr.EVIL

08-16-2005 15:05:27

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Re: Volkswagon Jetta in reply to June, 08-16-2005 14:33:44

Do a search on "TDICLUB" There's several websites devoted to them. I tried to buy a new one last fall. Dealers won't deal on them. Plus they seemed rather maintenance intensive.

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old

08-16-2005 14:47:40

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Re: Volkswagon Jetta in reply to June, 08-16-2005 14:33:44

Don't know3 much about that one but years ago a friend had a diesel rabbit and it did real good other then in the winter and then it wouldn't start. Hes was getting around 55 mile per with it

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