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Upgrading tractor hydraulics

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Kim Hartshorn

01-22-2001 15:14:30




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I have several projects that I am considering that would be nice to power with hydraulics. Right now I am using one of the older ford compacts (1500) with a 4gpm pump. I am looking for advice on the following options...or additional ideas also.

I could simply buy a pto pump...would need to provide resevoir, relief valve etc built into the projects.

I could install a belt driven pump driven from the front of the engine. In this situation I could perhaps use the tractor hydraulic lines either bypassing the installed pump or pulling from the same resevoir. (combination oil sump for axle trans and hydraulics) Or i could install a 2nd onboard resevoir and relief valve. (not sure if I have the room)

The last option I would be surprised if it existed would be to see if there is a replacement pump of higher capacity for the original. Unlikely, Japanese, early 80's, and quite built in.

Also, it occurs to me that maybe I might just make a stand alone power unit with its own gasoline engine, if I can find a cheap one :-)

thanks

Kim Hartshorn

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BFO

01-23-2001 16:10:22




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 Re: upgrading tractor hydraulics in reply to Kim Hartshorn, 01-22-2001 15:14:30  
A while back, I had the use of a small tractor set up similarly to what you want. It was a little 25hp Same vineyard tractor, that was used to power a front mounted hydraulic hedger ( L-shaped double sickle mower used for summer pruning in the vineyard), and a mid-mounted automatic hydraulic grape hoe. They mounted a 11 gpm pto pump, and made the reservoir (approx. 33 gal.) to fit the 3 point hitch. They put a single spool valve with detents to run the motors, and a triple spool valve to run cylinders. The necessary lines were run to the front and mid section. The one problem that was encountered was that, while using the hedger, the oil got too hot. They sourced a heat exchanger and mounted an electric fan, worked like a charm. It was basically a mobile hydraulic source, and was dedicated to those two tasks. The three point hitch could have been freed up by mounting the reservoir on the front. Wish I would have taken some pics, it was a slick setup.

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VaTom

01-22-2001 18:35:41




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 Re: upgrading tractor hydraulics in reply to Kim Hartshorn, 01-22-2001 15:14:30  
Wow Kim, must be a parallel universe. My two big projects are converting a Linkbelt crane to take a Ford 300 to drive a hydraulic pump. Machine work's done. Had to use the Continental flywheel and housing and move the starter. Getting close. This pump's a 3 stage. No idea how many gpm's, a lot. I blew the pump engine using it to move and steer the 7 tons of crane up a 15% 1/2 mile drive. Almost made it to the shop! My wife was not amused to have something that big, without steering or brakes, blocking the driveway.

Other is using a retired minivan (Ford) with a bad transmission to power a 3 phase generator that my compact tractor has trouble with. Only way I could see was to put a hydraulic pump behind the engine and plumb until I had a hydraulic motor the right speed for the 20KW generator. Somebody who knows more about transmissions than I do might have done something else. Parts are sitting here waiting for me.

Mostly a matter of looking at how much hydraulic you need and then finding the best source. No point in wearing out a tractor unless you need mobility, far as I can see. One reason I wanted the generator was to give me portable welding so it'll sit in the minivan until I need to hook it to my PTO. Generally it'll power some large machinery that I failed to run big enough wire to the building to get enough current to operate with a large phase converter. Planning, what?

VaTom

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Old Sparky

01-23-2001 13:02:54




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 Re: Re: upgrading tractor hydraulics in reply to VaTom, 01-22-2001 18:35:41  
Having the engine power a pump and then driving the generator with the hydraulics is not a efficient way to transmit power. Mechanical hookup is much more efficient. Trying to think through the mechanical drive might be time well spent.



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10 yr. sparky

01-29-2001 19:15:23




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 Re: Re: Re: upgrading tractor hydraulics in reply to Old Sparky, 01-23-2001 13:02:54  
VaTom sounds like a cobb artist to me.



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