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Jim - Illnois

08-10-2005 15:50:07




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I want to have electricity to a new shed I'm having built, but I'm 1500 feet from the road. The electric company and the electrician want MEGA bucks to run power. I wonder if anyone has bought a generator that would do the job. Most everyone I talked to will not stand behing their generators if they are used as a primary. The ones that can be used as a primary are real pricy. Any help would be apprecieated. If I have to go the power company route, I need to get my name in as there is a 18 week waiting list. Thank you.

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Sand Flat Bob

08-12-2005 14:41:36




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 Re: 1500 feet from the road in reply to Jim - Illnois, 08-10-2005 15:50:07  
What electrical load will you have in the new shed? If just lights or other light load, check out going solar panel. Won't work, economically for heavy electrical loads.

Bob



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pbutler

08-12-2005 03:53:59




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 Re: 1500 feet from the road in reply to Jim - Illnois, 08-10-2005 15:50:07  
I did a similar job for our new place last year (but only 300ft).

You can rent a trencher for about $150 a day-should be able to get that far in 1 day if not too many rocks & roots.

Big metal conduit sweeps on the ends were about $100, ea. Can't remember pipe cost but wasn't that bad-maybe $1-$2 a foot.

Power company would come pull 1st 200ft free-then $1 ft afterwards.

Either way I am sure even if you do trenching and pipe yourself you are looking at $3000-$4,000, am not surprised electrical Contractor wants big $. Copper very high, nothing wrong with aluminum to save some $ on main feed. 400amp power box and breakers costs a pretty penny too.

Have you thought driveway? I ended up spending more on gravel than the electrical service.

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Stan in Oly, WA

08-12-2005 18:44:18




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 Re: 1500 feet from the road in reply to pbutler, 08-12-2005 03:53:59  
Hi, pbutler

dr.sportster beat me to it, saying there was plenty wrong with aluminum. If cost makes it the only option, the owner ought to find out everything that can go wrong with it and engineer ease-of-repair features into the design to reduce the aggravation of future problems.

One of the buildings in a complex where I work suffered several breaks in one of the underground #2 aluminum main feeds between the transformer and one of the multiple meter base panels. Diagnosis, location, and a temporary workaround cost the best part of $1,000. Repair (essentially, doing it right this time) looks to set somebody back about $12,000. It wouldn't be so expensive if the wires had originally been run in conduit, or if a blacktopped parking lot hadn't been put over 3/4 of the 300' run.

My advice would be to use conduit and not blacktop over it afterwards. Copper would be great, but, after all, this is the real world.

All the best, Stan

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dr.sportster

08-12-2005 11:09:22




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 Re: 1500 feet from the road in reply to pbutler, 08-12-2005 03:53:59  
Actually, there are many problems with aluminum wire.



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dr.sportster

08-11-2005 13:19:03




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 Re: 1500 feet from the road in reply to Jim - Illnois, 08-10-2005 15:50:07  
I agree with Coldiron.Do you have a backhoe?Anyone can glue pvc pipe.Order 20 footers.To pull the wire yourself all you need is a tugger and a way to support the reels,like car jackstands.Once the wire is pulled into the pipe then call an electrician.No junction box is required in feeders.One wide sweep 90 degree is probably what the power company wants up the pole at the roadway.



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Coldiron

08-11-2005 07:41:35




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 Re: 1500 feet from the road in reply to Jim - Illnois, 08-10-2005 15:50:07  
Jim, You may be able to save yourself some money by doing a lot of the work yourself. If you are going buried power you could have the ditch dug, install the conduit, lay your phone lines (usually supplied by the phone co) in on the other side of the ditch and let the power co. pull the wires thru. Go to the power co and they will let you know what the specs are and all you have to do is comply. Just leave it to the pros to do the hookup.

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JL Sargent

08-11-2005 06:51:52




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 Re: 1500 feet from the road in reply to Jim - Illnois, 08-10-2005 15:50:07  
Around here the power company is required to provide you with the power. They'll drop you a meter at the shed and charge you a minimum charge but thats about all you can do given your situation. Generators are a pain in the A$$. Sign up for the power co. and use a gen set for temporary power.



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dhermesc

08-11-2005 12:58:37




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 Re: 1500 feet from the road in reply to JL Sargent, 08-11-2005 06:51:52  
I know where Jim is coming from. In Kansas most local power companies will only provide 1/4 mile of "free" lines then you get to pay the rest - to the tune of $3.00 per foot. Even if you build next to the county road - if they don't have service running through that area you pay for it. Then your neighbor builds across the road and taps in the power line you paid.



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Coldiron

08-11-2005 15:01:38




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 Re: 1500 feet from the road in reply to dhermesc, 08-11-2005 12:58:37  
In Snohomish Co Washington if you pay to get to your place anyone tapping in pays you his footage or he doesnt get to tap in. My neighbor paid 9,000 to get power and three people over a 6 yr period paid him back over 6,000 of it. It still had to hurt but that is the cost of living far out.



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Dick2

08-11-2005 05:02:04




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 Re: 1500 feet from the road in reply to Jim - Illnois, 08-10-2005 15:50:07  
Depends on priorities and useage I guess. My thinking is that getting power company hookup would just be a one-time charge and then you'd be through with the hassle.

I bought several primary power generators for remote ADOT sites where there are no power lines. We installed two generators at each site to power the shop/equipment sheds and 2 - 4 houses. They run one generator continuously for a week, then shut it done and run the other one for a week. If used continuously for primary power, there is quite a bit of maintenance to a generator unit - and it ain't cheap!

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Dana in Ky

08-11-2005 10:50:21




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 Re: 1500 feet from the road in reply to Dick2, 08-11-2005 05:02:04  
I'm with Coldiron on this. If you supply the elbow grease, getting the meter set shouldn't break the bank.



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