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European Softwood at H.D.

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OzarkDan

07-30-2005 03:22:13




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Hi all, I'm new here, at posting anyway. I've been reading the posts for some time now and have noticed there are a lot of knowledgeable people hanging out here. Also noticed there are some pretty "colorful" folks here too not to mention "opinionated". Mostly I notice that everyone seems to want help when and where they can. I'll just mostly read, but if I see something I can help with I'll surely try to do my part without stepping on toes. Now what I would like some input on is this. Got some 2"x6"s yesterday at Home Depot (got a "big sale" on right now). Noticed a slip on them while at the store indicating "Made in Germany". Seemed a little odd, but paid it no mind. Got home and while offloading took a closer look at the slip. It says the lumber is European Softwood and made in Germany. I'm assuming they mean sawn to spec in Germany as it isn't a manufactured wood. Anyone have any experience with this? Just never paid no mind to the fact that it didn't say SPF. Oh, by the way, I'm located here in the rugged, but beautiful Arkansas Ozarks, just north and a little east of Harrison.

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Ludwig

08-02-2005 10:27:44




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 Re: European Softwood at H.D. in reply to OzarkDan, 07-30-2005 03:22:13  
Thats why I'm planting my 85 acres in trees. In 40 years when I'm 70 those trees will be my retirement fund.



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Stan in Oly, WA

08-03-2005 22:24:50




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 Re: European Softwood at H.D. in reply to Ludwig, 08-02-2005 10:27:44  
Hi, Ludwig

I would have guessed you to be older...you're pretty sharp for a youngster. Anyway, I once heard that if you lived in a part of the country where black walnut grew well, you could plant one for each newborn child, and one tree would put one child through college when the time came. Used for veneer.

Eighty-five acres of 40 year old trees ought to make you a rich man. Good luck.

All the best, Stan

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Van in AR

07-31-2005 07:27:49




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 Re: European Softwood at H.D. in reply to OzarkDan, 07-30-2005 03:22:13  
Dan,
I got some of that lumber from the Harrison Home Depot. I just figured power for the course, imported, anymore and didn't ask. It is real nice lumber compared to what you normally get these days.
Van



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Chris in Md.

07-30-2005 14:22:52




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 Re: European Softwood at H.D. in reply to OzarkDan, 07-30-2005 03:22:13  
The difference in quality is a direct result of the European attitude toward building. Here we build for the first buyer and if it lasts five to ten years without needing repairs it's a miracle. In europe they build to last several centuries. In some European countries it's not unusual for a mortgage to be handed down from one generation to the next.Better building materials from overseas should be no suprise.

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sjh

07-30-2005 14:00:47




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 Re: European Softwood at H.D. in reply to OzarkDan, 07-30-2005 03:22:13  
Take a look a Home Depots enviromentel policy. They claim to want to save US forest. By doing this they buy all wood out side of the US. Just look at all that metric plywood.



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nc140man

07-30-2005 04:23:11




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 Re: European Softwood at H.D. in reply to OzarkDan, 07-30-2005 03:22:13  
Gotta agree with Mark, they ship all our best logs overseas and leave us the dregs! I'v worked in a lumberyard for 23 yrs and have noticed the steady decrease of lumber quality! One thing I did notice, We have started getting a steady influx of European softwoods and have got to admit, quality is much higher than any domestic or Canadian that it is replacing! Most notably the studs! We are actually to the point that we specify euro studs when we order even though the cost is a little higher! Customers prefer and less waste and complaints! Makes You wonder if they do the same as us and ship their best lumber overseas also! Scott

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shoe

07-30-2005 19:22:36




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 Re: European Softwood at H.D. in reply to nc140man, 07-30-2005 04:23:11  
Don't think they ship any logs overseas that come'soff of forest service land. All that is shipped bylaw is ten percent of state owned
timber and private owned timber sales, which is
almost all logged out at the present time. I don't
know why anyone would want to by soft wood for building anyway. It won't hold a nail for any period of time. The studs I buy here atthe lumber yard are red fir, which is a hard wood, that 99%
of the homes have been made of for a hundred
years. The foreign wood may be cut to specs and graded to specs, but I think I'll just buy USA
if at all possible, which some times it's not possible.

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Stan in Oly, WA

07-30-2005 22:33:48




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 Re: European Softwood at H.D. in reply to shoe, 07-30-2005 19:22:36  
Hi Shoe,

Hard wood and hardwood (and soft wood and softwood) don't mean the same thing. Coniferous trees are softwood, by definition. I think hardwoods are broad leaf by definition. Oak, maple, hickory, apple, cherry, alder, are all harder than fir, hemlock, cedar, or pine, but mahogany, balsa, and cottonwood are hardwoods, too (unless I'm wrong, in which case they aren't.)

Doug fir used to be the lumber standard in the Pacific NW, but it's rare and expensive now. For years (decades, actually) the standard framing lumber here has been hem/fir---just crap. Splintery, splits if you look at it hard, stinks when you cut it, riddled with suspiciously small knots. It's what you get, I think, when you plant fast growing trees, and harvest them when they're six inches in diameter. It took a lot of the enjoyment out of remodeling for me. Oh, wait...it wasn't bad lumber, it was the arthritis. The lumber isn't the only thing that was better when I was young.

All the best, Stan

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Slowpoke

07-31-2005 02:12:37




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 Re: European Softwood at H.D. in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 07-30-2005 22:33:48  
I think all the plywood is now made for use in geodesic dome houses. It's pre-curved to match the dome shape. It's also full of voids. Whatever happened to the nice, flat sheets sold a few years ago??? The current stuff is high priced garbage.



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Joel Harman

07-30-2005 05:06:56




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 Re: European Softwood at H.D. in reply to nc140man, 07-30-2005 04:23:11  
That is beacuse forests are managed intensively in Europe. That means pruning, thinning & possibly fertilizing through out the rotation.

US are companies still too concerned with bottom
line& US Forest Service isn't putting out as many sales as was once done.



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MarkB_MI

07-30-2005 03:56:42




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 Re: European Softwood at H.D. in reply to OzarkDan, 07-30-2005 03:22:13  
I've bought some 1" lumber at Home Depot that came from Sweden. It was some real nice stuff, other than the stickers were a bear to get off.

It seems hard to believe that they can import lumber from Europe and still make money on it. I suppose it isn't subject to the same tariffs as lumber from Canada, but you would think the exchange rate and transportation costs would make it prohibitively expensive.

I'm just happy when I can get decent lumber, I don't much care where it comes from.

BTW, if you wonder why you can't find good lumber at the lumberyard even though we're cutting down the last of the old-growth fir, all that stuff has been going to Japan for years. They ship whole logs over there; the Japanese don't want American sawmills to touch this stuff; it's far too valuable.

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