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Gene Davis

01-19-2001 05:30:22




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Hi! This is avery good forum and seems to have a lot of knowledgeable and experinced people that give and hopefully take advice here. Being relativly new to this sport, I would like to know the facts and problems, blessings and curses, or what to expect if I were to try to hook up a 10,000 g.v.w. tamden goose-neck trailer to my 1993 chev. 1/2 ton short body xtd cab truck, is this a viable option? Stupid move?,or what could I expect, and what modifications would be needed if I go this way, or is a bigger truck going to be necessary for this maybe once a month use, or if I just need to go with agood reciever type hitch and a good tandem w/brakes? Advice on this subject is solicited and appreciated, THANKS!! lgd

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Gene

01-20-2001 20:24:25




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 Re: trailering requirements in reply to Gene Davis , 01-19-2001 05:30:22  
Decided not to try this combo, thanks for the good advice. Don't need it yet but will heed all the good advice when i put an out fit together. THANKS FOR THE ADVICE!!!! Gene



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MarkB

01-20-2001 06:16:41




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 Re: trailering requirements in reply to Gene Davis , 01-19-2001 05:30:22  
Gene,

Although you could probably get away with this if you're not going any great distance, I would really recommend that you try to find a 3/4 ton (or 1 ton) vehicle. The main problem is that most 1/2 ton pickups have marginal brakes, and there is no simple modification that is going to overcome this problem. Pulling a heavy trailer with a vehicle that has lousy brakes is a recipe for disaster.

Another problem with 1/2 ton vehicles is that they have semi-floating rear axles that use a single ball bearing on each side, while heavier duty trucks have full-floating axles with a pair of Timken bearings on each side. Even if you beef up the springs to carry the weight of your fifth-wheel trailer, you run the risk of burning up your rear wheel bearings.

Assuming that your brakes are adequate, you'll probably need to beef up the cooling system and and change out the ring and pinion gears in the rear end. For what it's going to cost you to beef up your vehicle to handle a 10K lb gooseneck trailer, you can probably trade in your 1/2 ton for a good used 3/4 ton.

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Cj

01-19-2001 15:28:18




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 Re: trailering requirements in reply to Gene Davis , 01-19-2001 05:30:22  
I tow a 22 travel trailer with my 1/2 ton short box supercab Ford.Have the factory Class 3 reciever and a load leveler hitch. I added a rear anti sway bar and air bags as well. If I were to do it over again I would go with the fifth wheel setup. They tow a lot nicer especally at the weights you are talking. Good brakes are a MUST! I use a Kelsey-Hayes set-up with a remote actuator that attaches to the brake unit by a coiled cable. Works GREAT! You can have the actuator in your hand and both hands on the wheel. I wouldn't trade my 1/2 ton for any of those Aircraft carrier size (3/4 ton and much bigger 8ft box ,four door etc.) monstrositys for nothing! Especally if Ford ever puts a diesel in a 1/2ton or the Lightning motor in a supercab! Good Luck.

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F350

01-22-2001 04:34:40




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 Re: Re: trailering requirements in reply to Cj, 01-19-2001 15:28:18  
While that was a heart warming account of how your truck is set up, a 3/4 ton or 1 ton has heavier brakes and is much safer for towing heavy loads.



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BFO

01-19-2001 10:25:00




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 Re: trailering requirements in reply to Gene Davis , 01-19-2001 05:30:22  
A 10K lb. GVW trailer is a bit much for a 1/2 ton truck, but if this is the size that you have your heart set on, then go with a fifth wheel setup. You don't have to load it to the max, and you'll have the capacity if you switch to a 3/4 ton truck later on.You'll want to mount the fifth wheel plate between 2" and 6" forward of the truck's rear axle for proper weight distribution. I would recommend either a Holland mini-fifth wheel, or a Reece 14K removeable. I have never liked the ball in the pickup bed. The ball ends up taking verticle loads on a small area, while having to contend with the horizontal loads of pulling and stopping. As well the couplers are a pain to hook up, especially with an extended cab. A regular fifth wheel has a large steel plate on the truck and trailer to take the vertical loads, while the pin only has to deal with stopping and pulling the load. I have yet to see a standard pin break, whereas I've seen balls fail. As far as your truck being only able to handle 500lb.s toungue weight (tag-a-long trailer), that is actually determined by the hitch, not the truck. Factory hitches usually are rated for 5K trailer weight with 10% or 500 lbs. tongue weight. You could just as easily put a 7.5K hitch on and increase tongue weight to 750lbs.
It is very important to be set up properly with brakes. Either electric or the new electric/hydraulic. I would strongly recommend a Tekonsha 9035 XP controller, you can never have too much power.
Pro and cons? With a fifth wheel trailer not many people can borrow it. You can haul more, safely. Smoother on the highway.
Cons, well depending where you are, you might need a CDL, if you switch trucks it's a lot more work. And of course the initial cost is greater.

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Shepherd

01-19-2001 08:34:26




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 Re: trailering requirements in reply to Gene Davis , 01-19-2001 05:30:22  
Gene, I pull a 24' goose-neck tandum rated at 10,000# with a Ford f-250 extended cab diesel. I can pull the trailer and any load I put on it as long as I stay under the 10,000# limit, tried to pull a 12,000# tractor once and really was too much for the truck. As long as you dont overload what the truck can pull you will be Ok with this type of trailer. The problem is you are going to be able to put more weight on this trailer than what the truck can pull or even stop, so you have to be careful. I would rather see you get a 3/4 or ton truck to put in front of this trailer, or get a smaller trailer. The half ton trucks really are not made for big goose-necks. Just my 2 cents

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T_Bone

01-19-2001 06:53:00




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 Re: trailering requirements in reply to Gene Davis , 01-19-2001 05:30:22  
Hi Gene, Look on your door post of your truck and you will find a sticker that gives the GVW of your truck. Subtract the weight of your pick-up from this GVW and this will be the gross GVW of the load you can pull with your trailer.

Lets say the sticker says 12000lbs GVW. Your truck weighs 3500lbs so that leaves 8500lbs. Lets now assume your trailer weighs 3000lbs, that leaves 5000lbs you can put on your trailer and tow within the limits of your truck.

The next thing to consider is how much tongue weight the trailer has with it's load. Your pick-up will have a maxmium of 500lbs tongue weight, again look on the sticker on the door post, and you have to shift your load on your trailer so that you don't exceed that rating.

T_Bone

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rhudson

01-20-2001 16:37:49




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 Re: Re: trailering requirements in reply to T_Bone, 01-19-2001 06:53:00  
thats the math. in virginia they give you a ticket (if they want to) based on whats on the door tag. GVW is truck weight + trailor weight + load carried on both. break away brakes are required here for any trailor requiring brakes.



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Junkman

02-02-2001 21:52:53




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 Re: Re: Re: trailering requirements in reply to rhudson, 01-20-2001 16:37:49  
Wrong, GVWR = gross vehicle weight rating. If you want to figure the trailer in there, you will need GCWR, which equals gross combined weight rating. To get this number, you will need to consult the dealers towing guide for your make and model. On the other hand, I have a 1/2 ton dodge with the old slant 6 in it. I have a tandem axle trailer that weighs 1500# and i have crossed the scales with over 6500# on the trailer. That is over 13,000# GCWR on a truck that is probably rated for around 8500#. As long as you get the proper balance on the trailer and have the pulling and stopping ability, load them to the max! Also, when I crossed the scales with over 13,000# gross, my trailer brakes weren't working and it was hitched to a bumper hitch. The bumper was rated with a higher capacity than the Reese hitch I had bought to install on the truck. Don't take everything at face value, I also know you can haul over 10,000# on a one ton truck.
John

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