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Advice on white metal soldering

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Albert Grose

07-27-2005 06:10:51




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About to start a modelling project which involves soldering white metal. I purchased a 15w iron but, on testing, I find it also melts normal solder and will melt my white metal component if the iron is held against it for a second or two.
Is the iron's wattage wrongly labelled or is it simply that I am holding the iron to the job for too long? I'm reasonably comfortable with soldering brass but white metal is a new field for me.

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MarkB_MI

07-28-2005 18:36:30




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 Re: Advice on white metal soldering in reply to Albert Grose, 07-27-2005 06:10:51  
Albert,

The stuff you're working with sounds a lot like a product marketed to gunsmiths called "Cerrosafe". It's used for taking chamber castings and it melts at 170 F.

Most soldering irons operate at around 700 degrees F, so it's going to be tricky to work with material that melts at 250.

I would only use a temperature-controlled soldering station for something like this. Weller makes some very good units for around a hundred bucks.

You don't say what you're using for solder, but 60 % tin/40% lead solder melts around 360 F, way hotter than the melting point of your material. I don't know if you can get a solder that melts below 250.

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Davis In SC

07-28-2005 19:26:40




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 Re: Advice on white metal soldering in reply to MarkB_MI, 07-28-2005 18:36:30  
We used to use a similar metal, I think it was called Cerro-Bend, it melted at 156 F. We used it to fixture parts. I can remember pouring it in my palm to show the ladies how tough I was, telling them it was molten lead. It did hurt..... ..



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T_Bone

07-27-2005 16:55:44




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 Re: Advice on white metal soldering in reply to Albert Grose, 07-27-2005 06:10:51  
Hi Albert,

I'm not familuar with white metal? Please explain what exactly white metal is and what it's used for.

Any soldering is generaly considered only a sealant or to increase a conductor ability and usually at under 1000� on common base metals. The filling solder is liquid at a considerable less temperature than the base metal. To accomplish this, solder contains a few different metals in there mix to control heat required to melt as well as for flow ability.

Braze welding is where your joining base metal from heat fusion. This could be what your trying to accomplish and why I aked what white metal is as it's apparent that it has a low heat fusion point.

Could be your trying to use the wrong filler metal for the base metal composition.

Soldering irons are rated in watts that is in direct realtionship to it's BTU input. 1kw= 3540btu so a 15w iron has about 54btu of heat. That's very low. If you can't move very fast without melting your base metal then you need to lower your input BTU to your iron. Radio Shack and others have adjustable soldering irons that might help.

Give us some more info to go by and see if we can help.


T_Bone

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Waltmo

07-27-2005 20:49:50




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 Re: Advice on white metal soldering in reply to T_Bone, 07-27-2005 16:55:44  
T-Bone you are right about the low melting point of white metal. I think it is around 250 deg. F.
The metal is very brittle. If droped it will shatter like glass. I don't have the element composition in front me. The metal is used in the pattern making process in foundries. It has almost no shrinkage when solidifing from the molten stage which makes it ideal for making patterns. It is usually melted then poured into plaster of paris molds. Then it can be duplicates. over and over to make the pattern.
hth. Waltmo

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mike brown

07-27-2005 06:28:38




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 Re: Advice on white metal soldering in reply to Albert Grose, 07-27-2005 06:10:51  
The wattage of your iron is not the issue, it's the temperature it operates at. soldering is done below 830F (above that is brazing). You need to find a lower temperature iron (adjustable) and solder that melts at a lower temperature than your metal. Bismuth I think melts lower than 60/40 solder.



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