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Nathan(GA)

01-17-2001 18:43:35




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What about cutting empty freon cylinders, is there any danger? I've seen hanging flower pots made from them. What about a small grill, any danger?

Thanks, Nathan




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Nathan- Thanks Guys

01-18-2001 16:42:49




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 Re: Hey T_Bone - freon cylinders in reply to Nathan(GA), 01-17-2001 18:43:35  
Better leave them alone.

Thanks anyway



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Big Jake

01-18-2001 09:31:46




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 Re: Hey T_Bone - freon cylinders in reply to Nathan(GA), 01-17-2001 18:43:35  
The fumes from burning refrigerant can be deadly. They always warn you not to breath the fumes when checking for refrig leakes with flame checker,



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T_Bone

01-18-2001 04:59:16




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 Re: Hey T_Bone - freon cylinders in reply to Nathan(GA), 01-17-2001 18:43:35  
Hi Nathan, As along as you remove the residual refrigerant pressure before cutting, open the valve or knock off the valve, as most refrigerant is not explosive, but read the lables, as some of the rare refigerant gases are explosive. R-12, R-134A, R-22, R500, R502 would be the safest. As far as what they will do to plants is another story. When I was a pup just starting my SheetMetal(SM) apprenticeship, the wife had beautiful plants so I made her a bunch of planters out of galvanized SM and within a short time all her plants were dead because of the off gas(zinc oxide) of the galvanized SM mixed with water.

All refrigerants are chemical mixtures and there will be residual refrigerant left in the steel of the tanks. I would say to boil them with water "outside" before using with plants.

I would "not" use any refrigereant tanks as a Bar-B-Q grill. You can buy "new" 35gal steel drums for about $35, and thats what I would use.

Freon is a refrigerant tradename used by the Dupont Company. Dupont designs refrigerants then sells the chemical "use license" mixture to other companys to produce. Gee I wonder why! So Dupont can't be sued.

Stay away from a common refrigerant R-11 as the lable says totally safe and non harmful, but when I would splill liquid R-11 on my hands, I would have a instant headache for several days.

T_Bone

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Franz

01-18-2001 21:31:28




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 Re: Re: Hey T_Bone - freon cylinders in reply to T_Bone, 01-18-2001 04:59:16  
Anybody besides me and folks in the refrigeration business wondering just how it worked out that Dupont's worldwide patent rights ran out about the same time the stuff became hazardous to the environment? I wander how much DuPont stock mama Gore owns.
Stainless beer barrels make much better grills, especially if you have a plazma cutter.



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Joe Penas

02-28-2001 11:09:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Hey T_Bone - freon cylinders in reply to Franz, 01-18-2001 21:31:28  
Where can I buy FREON F-502 GAS CYLINDERS.
I have contacted the following and are all negative:

WORTHINGTON
MATHESON-TRIGAS
COLUMBIANA BOILER CO.
PRESSED STEEL TANK
TAYLOR-WHARTON

I would appreciate your help. Thanks



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T_Bone

01-18-2001 21:40:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Hey T_Bone - freon cylinders in reply to Franz, 01-18-2001 21:31:28  
Hi Franz, And you noticed Dupont didn't rush to renew the patent rights either. Who's making SS beer barrels? I'm not a beer drinker but if the deposit isn't to high I may take beer guzzling back up again or atleast throw a couple of party's .

T_Bone



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Franz

01-19-2001 21:31:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Hey T_Bone - freon cylinders in reply to T_Bone, 01-18-2001 21:40:34  
Dangdest thing, I don't even drink beer, but them empty barrels just keep turnin up. I think it's the tennants, dern yuppie college kids. I even got a couple empty wine barrels, stainless. Bein that they keep turnin up, I hadda do something with them. They also make a real nice gas tank for things like generators, remove the johnson tap device, and epoxy in a filler neck from a junk car, and braze in a suction line. Best part is I just add an outboard motor connector, and the machine don't have to go in for fueling, just swap tanks. Never yet been bothered by DOT for a beer barrel full of fuel in the back of the pickup. Dupont, well, I had a chemist explain to me how much effort is necessary to break down F 12, and how it can't occurr in the upper atmousphere. I haven't really trusted DuPont since agent orange, and the freon BS is just another reason not to. Supposedly, they couldn't renew the patent on F 12 any more, only so many renewals available. Must be like prescripton drugs.

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