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cb

07-21-2005 06:03:26




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maybe someone can give me some talking points about my 2002 dodge dakota pickup. 3.9 V6, i'll be taking it in for a check up next week. the transmission is not shifting easily when in drive. it takes a while sometimes to shift out first gear into the next gear. in case the mechanic wants argue, i need some info about this problem. thanks and have a good day/




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Vern-MI

07-23-2005 05:38:22




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 Re: off topic, dodge dakota in reply to cb, 07-21-2005 06:03:26  
The transmssion shift points are computer controlled. The computer accepts input from several sensors. These sensors are engine temperature, throttle angle, engine speed, transmission input shaft speed, transmission output shaft speed, transmission temperature, and probably a few more that I'm not aware of. The computer then shifts the transmission using three types of valves inside the transmission itself. These valves are On-Off (shift scheduling), Pulse Width Modulated (converter clutch control), and Variable Force Solenoid (main pressure regulation) valves. SO to answer your question it could be a bad sensor confusing the computer so it doesn't know when to schedule the shift properly or it could be a bad wire or harness from the computer to the transmission or it could be a bad or sticky valve inside of the transmission. How many miles are on it and has the oil ever been changed? NEVER use the oil exchange method that costs about $70 as it will probably cause transmission failure. ALWAYS use a drain the pan and put in fresh oil method for best results. Depending on the severity of the service (whether you pull heavy loads in high temperature) you could and should Change fluid every 20K miles.

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cb

07-23-2005 07:54:15




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 Re: off topic, dodge dakota in reply to Vern-MI, 07-23-2005 05:38:22  
thanks to vern-mi. and others. good info, i'll copy your email and keep it for a while. if the machanic wants to talk about the problem. i'll know pretty much what he's talking about. i'll let you know after monday what the situation is. have a great day.



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Vern-MI

07-24-2005 04:15:29




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 Re: off topic, dodge dakota in reply to cb , 07-23-2005 07:54:15  
If I were to take a wild a$$ guess I would put my money on a speed sensor. Either the transmission input or output shaft speed sensor (probably both would be a good idea). If you wonder how much they cost you can go to www.rockauto.com and check out price and availability. Change the oil regardless.



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cb

07-24-2005 06:05:11




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 Re: off topic, dodge dakota in reply to Vern-MI, 07-24-2005 04:15:29  
thanks vern-mi, for the info. i checked the web site and found output sensor for $15. and a speed sensor [did not say input, just speed sensor] at about $27. i'll keep this web site in my favorites list. my daughter has a 94 dakota it has had similar problems. do you know how difficult it is to change the sensors on these trucks. i'm not a machanic, but i know one that lives nearby. again thanks, and have a nice day.

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Kippster

07-21-2005 17:08:36




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 Re: off topic, dodge dakota in reply to cb, 07-21-2005 06:03:26  
I have an 88 Dakota with the 3.9 and an automatic trans. What you have described to me sounds like you may have a vacume leak somewhere, or your linkage may be a little bit out of whack. Depending on what tranny you have, the kickdown linkage adjustment controls how fast the trans shifts, and at what Rpm. That may sound crazy, but the pressure is controlled by the kickdown linkage. If you want, you may want to try adjusting that to save yourself some money!! Hope this might be of some help to ya!!! Good luck!! Kippster

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cb

07-22-2005 06:19:46




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 Re: off topic, dodge dakota in reply to Kippster, 07-21-2005 17:08:36  
thanks again for all the comments, i'm not a machanic so i appreciate all the info from the nice people on this board. i certainly will have some degree of understanding when i take the truck in monday and listen to what the machanic may say about the problem. i'll check back with y'all after i get it looked at. hope everyone has a nice day..



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jake 2

07-21-2005 16:50:29




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 Re: off topic, dodge dakota in reply to cb, 07-21-2005 06:03:26  
When you tell the dealer about the problem---MAKE SURE you keep the ticket with the mileage when you first reported it to them. If it fails later (Out of Warranty) this may give you some help in warranty repairs. Also tell them--If they don't fix it--everybody on this board will know.



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cb

07-21-2005 15:36:24




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 Re: off topic, dodge dakota in reply to cb, 07-21-2005 06:03:26  
thanks for all the good comments and the advice, hadn't thought about going to autozone or one of those places. i have about 3 months left on my warranty and i'm hoping that the dealer won't try to stall or put me off untill the warranty runs out. also let me ask some of you. since my warranty is nearly up i have been getting extended warranty offers thru the mail. they are asking about $500. per year. what's the advice on extended warranties. thanks again for the help. have a good evening.

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MAC,IL

07-21-2005 16:35:21




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 Re: off topic, dodge dakota in reply to cb, 07-21-2005 15:36:24  
I have known a few cases the extendo has paid off. 500 sounds awful cheap to me. Watch the very small print closely on the contracts. Dont get stuck with one of those "Oh, thats not covered statements."



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Ludwig

07-21-2005 10:20:25




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 Re: off topic, dodge dakota in reply to cb, 07-21-2005 06:03:26  
I agree with sawtooth, Autozone will check codes for free.
For what its worth I have a '96 Dakota v8 177kmi an never any trans issues.



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Earl -IL

07-21-2005 10:20:21




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 Re: off topic, dodge dakota in reply to cb, 07-21-2005 06:03:26  
I bought my Dakota 3.9 in 98. When new I was putting 3500-4000 miles a month on it. The trans. starting slipping on hard acceleration, the 2-3 shift at about 40000 mi.Dodge played with it a never fixed it. I took a suction gun and pulled out 2 pints of fluid and added 2 cans Seafoam Trans additive. It clears it up within 50 miles of driving.I now have 171000 mi. and whenever it slips I just add more seafoam.The trans shop tells me they have a loose fitting "o" ring that the conditioner swells up to make it shift right.I now have a bad evaporator. This means the dash has to come out to repair evaporator & heater core.Other than that it has been a good truck. Earl

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sawtooth

07-21-2005 08:33:40




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 Re: off topic, dodge dakota in reply to cb, 07-21-2005 06:03:26  
I drive a Dodge Caravan for a NAPA parts delivery service. A couple weeks ago the speedometer quit working and it didn't shift properly. A good counter guy put a hand held analyzer on it (plugs in under by the steering wheel) and it read "speed output sensor". I suggest having it preanalyzed before going to the shop, might be able to replace your own part.



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EDDIE PETTY

07-21-2005 08:18:40




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 Re: off topic, dodge dakota in reply to cb, 07-21-2005 06:03:26  
I have a '99 with the V-8.
The first symptom was an initial delayed shift out of low, soon followed by the auto-lock of the doors at 'whatever' speed, followed by loss of cruise, then overhead console display and finally the speeometer quite after a few days of erradict behavior. All this took several weeks to finalize. When the ABS light began to stay on, I became really worried. Two (2) faied sensors....output speed sensor located on the transmission tail shaft and the ABs speed sensor located on the top of the differentrial. Total cost: less than $50 and about 30 minutes. Everthing is fine now !!! Ed in 'ole Virginny

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MAC,IL

07-21-2005 07:22:33




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 Re: off topic, dodge dakota in reply to cb, 07-21-2005 06:03:26  
Dont have a dodge, but a few years ago I had a GMC that was not shifting right. Went to dealer and had a screamin meeeemie.I had Found a tsb. They changed a chip in the computer. Instant cure. No. 1 son had a Chevy, same engine and trannie. It shifted funny also. Well he just let it go and at 145000 miles finally sold it. Might check the tsb's on it. Sometime there is a tsb and if you dont complain it dont get taken care of.

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Coloken

07-21-2005 06:28:46




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 Re: off topic, dodge dakota in reply to cb, 07-21-2005 06:03:26  
My 1990 kinda does that too. Not bad enough to bother me. What does bother me is it shifts to high (3rd) and then shifts to overdrive right away. All most imposible to keep it in 3rd and no overdrive. I got a hunch that this is all controled by the computer chip. Sorry to not help with your question and bring in mine, but kind of the same thing. Kennyp



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