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How do transformer type welders work?

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Stan in Oly, WA

07-18-2005 21:36:42




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A couple of months ago I asked if anyone knew why a Lincoln buzz box arc welder was rated at 20% duty cycle at every setting. I got the best kind of reassurance that it wasn't anything to worry about (everybody who answered knew what they were talking about and had first hand experience to back it up---you can't ask for more than that.)

Still, it left me curious about a few things related to how welders work. I also have a Hobart 235/160 AC/DC with infinite range. The drawing in the manual shows a shunt moving through the winding as you turn the handle to set the amperage. The manual also shows a graph of the duty cycle for both kinds of current. At full capacity AC or DC the duty cycle is 20%. But the 100% duty cycle point is 100A AC and 65A DC.

Here are my questions. How do welders with settings instead of infinite range work? I've seen old Lincoln and Forney welders that had outlets (I've heard them called taps) for each setting---holes where the cable, or cables, plugged in.

Isn't duty cycle a function of heat buildup? Doesn't a welder that has a 15% duty cycle at full capacity necessarily have a greater duty cycle at half that capacity, whether the manufacturer says so or not?

Why do the cheapest arc welders always have low duty cycles; what is it about their construction that makes this so?

Why is the DC of an AC/DC SMAW welder always about 70% of the AC, and why do you have to use more AC amps than DC amps for the same rod?

These aren't the questions that keep me awake nights, just ones that probably have reasonable answers.

Thanks, Stan

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buickanddeere

07-19-2005 14:24:42




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 Re: How do transformer type welders work? in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 07-18-2005 21:36:42  
The step-down transformer inside is designed with a core limiting the amount of magnetic flux and therefore power. It takes electrical power converts it to magnetic flux then back to electrical power. On open circuit when not striking an arc the output voltage is at design max due to no load. That�s why a welder not running an arc will bite your real good when grounded and sweaty. Once the arc is struck the limited path through the core allows enough energy through to melt your work and rod. However it limits every bit of power your utility transformer could supply under dead short conditions. Transformers that adjust via a sliding handle are moving more or less magnetic conductor in or out of the core. It's similar to the old style fluorescent lamp ballast. Before an arc is struck through E.G. a common T40 lamp. About 250V AC is applied end to end. Once the path through the lamp is ionized the electrical resistance drops. Current would go sky high if the ballast didn't saturate and limit current on the secondary side feeding the lamp(s). This also explains why buildings with cheap ballasts, welders, lightly loaded three phase electric motors or just about any single phase motor. The hydro service has a lousy power factor that may lag up to 45 degrees/ 0.5PF or worse. 0.9 good and 1.0 best. This lagging PF is a real problem for utilities $$$.

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txgrn

07-21-2005 04:56:49




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 Re: How do transformer type welders work? in reply to buickanddeere, 07-19-2005 14:24:42  
I think the open circuit voltage on like a Miller Thunderbolt 230v 200a is about 80v and at high current drops into the teens or something real low. The arc is pretty low resistance and can't sustain much voltage.

Seems I have a habit of late where I get busy and wind up sticking the stick in the side of my face. Thank goodness it's cold when I have done it. Give you a little tingle but could be bad if I were adequately wet and grounded when I did it.

Mark

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JMS/MN

07-18-2005 22:12:58




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 Re: How do transformer type welders work? in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 07-18-2005 21:36:42  
I always assumed that welders with taps just 'tapped' in to the coil at various places, giving different amps. (or 'ampacity?- couldn't resist!). Also assumed that duty cycle was governed by heat buildup, and low duty cycle welders used poorer quality components, like aluminum windings instead of copper. If transformer capacity is a function of ratio of turns from one to another, wouldn't a thinner copper wire heat up faster than a thick copper wire, even with the same number of turns?

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Big JIm

07-19-2005 00:09:23




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 Re: How do transformer type welders work? in reply to JMS/MN, 07-18-2005 22:12:58  
Ones with taps are just that, tapped at different places. The duty cycle varies on the number of amps passing through the welder. It is the I2*R loss that shows up as heat.More expensive welders have bigger, heavier windings so the make less heat and disipate it better. They also tend to have better fans and engineered air flow. Duty cycle is lower for the DC side because you also have diodes making heat so you ge more heat in the welder on DC for the same amps as on AC.

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