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youngster

07-18-2005 19:56:51




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Hey all i dont know if any of you are away of situations like im about to explain but this stuff really does happen it just happened to my cousin.

My cousin was at Walmart a nationwide chain store the other day( he works there ). he went outside on break to find that his car had been the victim of a hit and run. so he calls the police and files a police report , the cops say unless theres a witness theres nothing they will do because it happened on private property. and walmart wont allow the police to look at their survalience tapes to figure out who the culprit was.


this isnt the first time ive heard of this at teh same store either, they had probibly 30 or more cameras outside but yet what good do they do
cameras inside yet unless you actually visibly see someone steal something and know exactly where it is you cant stop them. and as soon as they step out the door nobody in the store can touch them its against company policy and you can be fired for stopping that.

tell me folks does this sound smart at all??

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Bus Driver

07-20-2005 15:55:47




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 Re: O.T. security in reply to youngster, 07-18-2005 19:56:51  
I suspect that the lack of cooperation from that particular WallyWorld was a decision made by the local store mangement. Here, Crimestoppers ( a private non-profit organization that offers rewards to those who offer helpful tips about crimes) has a segment on local TV station about once a week. Stores are eager to help because the crooks might target them next. Dumb criminals? About $25K damage done about two weeks ago with CO2 pellet gun. Big store windows and some cars targeted. Go through a strip mall and shoot all of the windows. One store had a good color camera. Good picture that enabled identifying the vehicle make, model, year. Car had red and black paint job in pattern not available from factory- a custom paint job. Story on TV at 6PM- with the camera video, two days later, their names were in the paper.

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Davis In SC

07-19-2005 20:59:34




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 Re: O.T. security in reply to youngster, 07-18-2005 19:56:51  
A good reason to stay away from WalMart.....



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landlord7012

07-20-2005 18:40:17




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 Re: O.T. security in reply to Davis In SC, 07-19-2005 20:59:34  
As much as i sympathize with the guy whos car was broken, I also appreciate that Walmart won't release the tape. I don't need the cops (a.k.a. Big Brother) see me pull into the lot and there's a empty beer can in the bed of my truck so they say "well what have we here, we'll have to watch him too!" Those are Walmarts camera's for their own use and should stay that way. It's bad enough we'll probably get traffic tickets via road side cameras soon enough.

my two cents
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Charles (in GA)

07-19-2005 18:40:41




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 Re: O.T. security in reply to youngster, 07-18-2005 19:56:51  
What it comes down to it, the cameras are there for Wal-Marts benefit, not yours. Had someone done a hit and run on a Wal-Mart company owned vehicle, the tapes would have been looked at. Essentially, it didn't affect Wal-Mart, so its none of their concern, or so they see it that way, at least.

Not defending them, I think it sucks, but just explaining their logic.

Charles



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Davis In SC

07-19-2005 20:46:52




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 Re: O.T. security in reply to Charles (in GA), 07-19-2005 18:40:41  
Charles, you have a good point, ... Years ago, my brother & I went Christmas shopping at a mall... I got to my car , & a bunch of Buggies had hit & damaged it. I went back in the store to file a claim, the manager laughed at me. I got loud & asked what would happen if I brought the farm truck & ran over a bunch of their buggies...As the security guard was trying to put handcuffs on me, my brother , being a diplomat, got them to let me go & get off the premises... bottom line is, all the stores are only concerned about profits. By the way that mall went broke & closed a few years after that... Due Justice.....

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Oliver

07-19-2005 14:17:14




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 Re: O.T. security in reply to youngster, 07-18-2005 19:56:51  
Cynicism Runs Ramapant is about the only one thats got the true picture here.



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Easy

07-19-2005 18:13:01




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 Re: O.T. security in reply to Oliver, 07-19-2005 14:17:14  
I am not so sure. In my town, between Walmart, Home Depot, and Lowes, The True Value, Ace and other hardware stores all got blown out. There used to be 3 lumberyards in town. None survived the Big Box guys. What I don't understand is what happened to the anti monopoly laws. The Feds chased GM around for 60+ years. Now there is no limit on greed? Easy.



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dr.sportster

07-19-2005 13:29:56




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 Re: O.T. security in reply to youngster, 07-18-2005 19:56:51  
Thats his punishment for being in a Wallmart parking lot.Its the mom and pop store owners.They go around smashing fenders in all the Wallmarts.Wallmart has secret fender smashers at the local merchants and town lots too.



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Arizona Bob

07-19-2005 08:24:43




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 Re: O.T. security in reply to youngster, 07-18-2005 19:56:51  
I suspect the rules on vehicle accidents on private property (read shopping centers) vary from state to state but generally speaking, police don"t take reports nor investigate them. Stealing a wallet, poisoning fish are crimes as is shoplifiting and police will respond for these things.

In this sue happy nation of ours, I find it hard to fault a business for not letting an individual review their security tapes. Let the insurance company deal with it.

My two cents.

Bob

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Matt from CT

07-19-2005 07:18:01




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 Sounds like a lazy officer to me. in reply to youngster, 07-18-2005 19:56:51  
Probability, even seeing tape, of catching the thief: Low.

Cop's decision where to spend his time: On some other issue.

I have a hard time believing Wal-Mart wouldn't allow the tape to be viewed.

If the Police wanted to, they know 1) A crime happened and 2) Wal-Mart's security cameras probably have it video taped.

"Hi, Judge, you home? We're coming over to have a Search Warrant signed." "Hey, Mr. Manager -- we're going to get a search warrant for your tapes, make sure you don't allow them to be destroyed."

If you're suing for civil damages, notify them ASAP you're planning to subponea the tapes and not to destroy them. They might destroy the evidence anyway, but at least you notified them asking them not to and that might be worth a little in court later on.

Most likely, Wal-Mart would've cooperated. Or could've been forced to cooperate.

Somethings just aren't worth the effort. Whether that's right or not is another matter.

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Bret4207

07-19-2005 12:41:53




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 Re: Sounds like a lazy officer to me. in reply to Matt from CT, 07-19-2005 07:18:01  
I'm a cop. Local Wally World won't even sell me handgun ammo without showing my pistol permit, even if I'm in uniform. So, I think it's possible Wal Mart may be doing exactly what this guy says. BTW- In my state parking lots are considered public right of ways and we investigate accidents there.



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Galen

07-19-2005 12:48:52




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 Re: Sounds like a lazy officer to me. in reply to Bret4207, 07-19-2005 12:41:53  
I've got a cousin in Grand Island Ne. He's been a cop there for several years (even has done the "Cop on Top" there for several years). They ask for his permit there to, even when he's in uniform. Maybe they just want to make SURE he's a cop?



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Kevin Bismark

07-19-2005 17:26:00




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 Re: Sounds like a lazy officer to me. in reply to Galen, 07-19-2005 12:48:52  
They must be too busy here in Minnesota to ask, never been asked anything other than how many boxes I want..



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MAC,IL

07-19-2005 06:22:27




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 Re: O.T. security in reply to youngster, 07-18-2005 19:56:51  
I dunno, an elderly gal got bumped by a car at the local walmart, messed her hip up. They got the lot security camera, looked at it and she had enuff info to be able to rack the guys hindie that bumped her and knocked ner down.



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RB/CT

07-19-2005 05:56:19




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 Re: O.T. security in reply to youngster, 07-18-2005 19:56:51  
In a CT Wal Mart, a person I know got his car keyed, and Wal Mart showed the tape to the Police and the individual, and the individual (victim) ID the culprit and the party was arrested. He should go further with Wal Mart. Talk to a higher up person.



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Galen

07-19-2005 04:26:13




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 Re: O.T. security in reply to youngster, 07-18-2005 19:56:51  
Well - I don't know. My sister works for Wally in Nebraska. They are currently working to close one store and open another (opens tommorow). Last week, at the new store, a co-worker had her wallet taken out of her purse (by another co-worker). No body saw what happened. The manager not only called the cops, but took them to see the tapes. They caught the girl who took the stuff and she is awaiting court (and looking for a job).

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Mattlt

07-19-2005 02:25:20




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 Re: O.T. security in reply to youngster, 07-18-2005 19:56:51  
Our local WallyWorld had an incident in the store, where someone poisoned all the pet fish. Cops asked to see the tapes. Turns out, only about half the "bubbles" in the ceiling actually contain cameras.



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Davis In SC

07-18-2005 21:05:33




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 Re: O.T. security in reply to youngster, 07-18-2005 19:56:51  
I once heard a cop say,,, that if you hit a car at the K-mart lot, leave in a hurry, because there is nothing they can do. From what I have heard,when accidents on private property happen, owners have to collect from their own insurance company. But I bet Walmart would produce the tapes if someone stole a pack of chewing gum....By the way, I do not think walmart has as many security cameras as they would want you to think..... ..

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Stan Lewis

07-18-2005 22:30:36




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 Re: O.T. security in reply to Davis In SC, 07-18-2005 21:05:33  
Warning: This post may contain some ranting.

Hi, youngster

Wal-Mart is just about the foremost example of the current big business attempt to undo a century's worth of employee rights, consumer protection laws, unfair business practice laws, and anti-trust laws, to name a few of the biggies. Corporate America would like to see the market as uncomplicated as it was when William McKinley was president (1897-1901)

Did you ever wonder why things can be produced cheaper in Mexico, or China, or Bangladesh? Because the labor is cheaper there? Yes, but what does that mean? They don't like nice stuff like we do, so they'll work for a few bucks a day? Not really. How about this---you work for what they'll pay you because if you don't have a job you might actually be hungry most of the time. Or this---if you get injured on the job, you're fired. That helps keep the cost of production down. America used to be like that, too.

When people say that all the good production jobs in this country have been exported to third world countries, it goes without saying that the good pay didn't go with them. We can have those jobs back just as soon as we stop demanding to be treated like human beings while we're doing them.

Wal-Mart will close down a store if the workers have any success in organizing to try to get decent working conditions---they've done it! (So has McDonalds, by the way.)

Treating customers like scum is newer, and I'm not sure what that's about. Maybe it's the beginning of an attempt to teach the public to get that nonsense about having basic rights out of their heads.

And why are the police prohibited from doing anything useful? Who pays them, anyway?

Welcome to the future, youngster. It's going to be different.

All the best, Stan

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Uncle

07-18-2005 20:26:42




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 Re: O.T. security in reply to youngster, 07-18-2005 19:56:51  
Wal-mart? Don't get me started.....If they care about security, then they should help your cousin out...Wal-mart is too busy trying to run Ma and Pa out of your community. Sorry about your problem, cops don't really take time to help unless you find the culprit and then tell them to meet you at the residence to deal with it, results will follow only then, I did just this week, got plenty of results, took awhile to hunt down the bad guys, decided not to knock on their door, so let the cops in on it this time, they get embarassed when a citizen shows up their detectives...but it is sweet justice!!!

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Cynicism Runs Ramapant

07-19-2005 08:32:12




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 Re: O.T. security in reply to Uncle, 07-18-2005 20:26:42  
These fables about Wal-Mart signing the death warrant to local business is taking things to the extreme. Most of the ones that are out of business, did it to themselves, by lack of selection, not having anything in stock, retirement, or poor service. Do you think ACE or True Value ran the local hardware store out of business, did the local lumberyard close because of Wal-Mart? Does Wal-Mart employ more people than the store that used to be "down the street". This is the same kind of BS that whinges because the county seat has more stores than Podunk. When Wal-Mart built a store, did it bring in any McDonald's or fast food places. And you can't say that only Wal-Mart carries ChiCom made merchandise. Does Wal-Mart compete with your "local" furniture or appliance store, how far do you have to drive to buy a new refrigerator? These little towns were dying long before Wal-Mart came in, what was the excuse when Sears Roebuck or Montgomerey Wards closed up shop? Who did you blame when the Cockshutt dealer closed, the IH dealer, I remember when every town had a JD or IH dealer, and some had Oliver, Massey, Case, whatever, on top of that. I'll bet that you would be one of the first to drive 100 miles to save $100 when it comes time to purchase a vehicle, and NO, I do not have any working interest in Wal-Mart.

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mrunion

07-19-2005 13:23:26




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 Re: O.T. security in reply to Cynicism Runs Ramapant, 07-19-2005 08:32:12  
In the town next to us, WalMart moved in. prices were below what other local merchants could afford to charge and survice (like vaccuum store, seweing store, mom'n'pop hardware, etc.). After about a year, alot of the little stores closed. WalMart raised it's prices back up to JUST ABOVE what the little stores WERE charging.

Yes, they sometimes DO kill the little person!

Thanx,
Matt



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Rustyj14

07-20-2005 19:16:13




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 Re: O.T. security in reply to mrunion, 07-19-2005 13:23:26  
Here in the Pittsburgh, PA. area, we have "Parrk and Ride lots, where you park yer car all day, hop on a bus, and go into town, then come back out after work, get yer car and go home! Well, a lady parked her car, hopped a bus, went to work downtown, after work came out, and her car was gone!! She called the police! They told her the car had been broken into, so the police had it towed to an auto body shop to be checked for finger-prints! She went there, and was presented with a towing bill of $150, and a storage bill of $ 250, or she wouldn't get the car back! Well, somehow, she got the car back. The garage gave her a refund of $75, saying it was half of the storage cost! (OHHH??) She still had to pay the towing bill, even tho the cops had it towed! This sort of stuff is going on here in the Pittsburgh area! The cost of parking for a day is around $15, or more, for all day parking! No wonder the bldg. managers can't get new tenants! All of the newer businesses are relocating to the way out territory, and the bldgs. downtown are languishing for tenants! And, of course, we had to build a new baseball park, and a new football stadium, and now the hockey team wants a new arena, and us taxpayers are reeling under high property taxes! And, those 3 teams are lousy with their playing! End of rant: Rustyj

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