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OT: Good Replacement for Roundup grass killer

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Midwest redneck

07-17-2005 10:24:43




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I was wondering if any of you fellas know of a good home made concoction for grass killer. That Roundup is pricey, $30 or so for a quart. What about Diesel fuel or something, Just enough to kill some weeds in the gravel drive I dont want to kill off a whole field.




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Mac

07-20-2005 11:40:08




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 Re: OT: Good Replacement for Roundup grass killer in reply to Midwest redneck, 07-17-2005 10:24:43  
Hey redneck,there's stuff from Ortho called Groundclear and also Triox that kills and prevents any regrowth or sprouting for well over a year. Don't spray near tree dripline or it will stunt or kill it. Sure beats weedeating.around fence and outbuildins.



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Farmall Teen

07-19-2005 17:21:53




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 Re: OT: Good Replacement for Roundup grass killer in reply to Midwest redneck, 07-17-2005 10:24:43  
A plow, or shovel



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720Deere

07-19-2005 15:06:21




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 Re: OT: Good Replacement for Roundup grass killer in reply to Midwest redneck, 07-17-2005 10:24:43  
I got tired of the cost of Roundup several years ago and came up with a fix. I had a drum of Calcium Chloride solution that I drained from tractor tires. I can just use it straight or use some cheap herbicide with it. The stuff is basically free and works great. The CaCl will kiil weeds that a weak Roundup mix will not and it works fast. You can buy CaCl by the bag and mix your own. For less than $8 per 50 lb bag, you could mix approx 25 gallons of spray. If strong enough, CaCl has a residual effect as well.

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MAC,IL

07-18-2005 14:12:54




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 Re: OT: Good Replacement for Roundup grass killer in reply to Midwest redneck, 07-17-2005 10:24:43  
I seen a guy a few years ago with a wheelbarrow full of rock salt like they use on the winter roads, then he uses diesel like it is water. I dont think I would go either way to kill weeds.
As I said, I use the killzall and add a little liquid detergent in the mix.



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fepo

07-18-2005 13:20:11




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 Re: OT: Good Replacement for Roundup grass killer in reply to Midwest redneck, 07-17-2005 10:24:43  
spread some gasoline over the weeds in small sections and throw a match :)

not safe, but real entertaining if done safely and nothing close by to catch fire... also wont polute as the fuel will burn up.

I was never here, and never said anything, at your own risk.



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EPA nutz

07-19-2005 09:13:10




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 Re: OT: Good Replacement for Roundup grass killer in reply to fepo, 07-18-2005 13:20:11  
We at the EPA will be right over. [;~)



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fepo

07-19-2005 12:06:11




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 Re: OT: Good Replacement for Roundup grass killer in reply to EPA nutz, 07-19-2005 09:13:10  
oh no... let me hide in my igloo. :)

but seriously, they sell those propane torches to burn weeds, so why not just burn them with gas in this case.. is it because not all the gas would burn up and some would penetrate the ground ? most likely... anyhow, it was a joke more than anything else.

O.T. : and why would the EPA waste their time with farmer joe when there's a billion more tons of pollution pouring out of factories every second! oh ya, it's government regulated and they are allowed and they paid for all sorts of studies and everything is just fine, there is pure oxygen coming out of them there smoke stacks.

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Nolan

07-21-2005 03:02:45




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 Re: OT: Good Replacement for Roundup grass killer in reply to fepo, 07-19-2005 12:06:11  
Relax, as a genuine state level EPA type I can promise you we don't give a rats patuti about you burning weeds with gasoline, diesel or a torch. Local fire marshal might have an issue with unsafe burning depending on how you do it, but the EPA isn't going to come charging over the hill after you.



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putz

07-18-2005 10:35:11




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 Re: OT: Good Replacement for Roundup grass killer in reply to Midwest redneck, 07-17-2005 10:24:43  
Had the same problem in my driveway , then I started driving in a different spot every time I went down it and now the weeds don"t get a chance to get growing. Cheap too.



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Bill Drew

07-18-2005 17:53:16




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 Re: OT: Good Replacement for Roundup grass killer in reply to putz, 07-18-2005 10:35:11  
Just driving in different parts of the driveway keeps the weeds down for me as well. And we only come and go a few of times a week.



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TimV

07-18-2005 07:15:08




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 Re: OT: Good Replacement for Roundup grass killer in reply to Midwest redneck, 07-17-2005 10:24:43  
Saw this on the KL board awhile ago. Don't know if it works or not, but doesn't sound like it would be much money to try it at least. Take 1 gallon of pickling vinegar (stronger is better), dissolve 1 pound of salt in the vinegar, and add 6-8 drops of dishwashing liquid for a wetting agent. Spray on and wait.



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buickanddeere

07-18-2005 06:16:57




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 Time required for Roundup grass killer to work? in reply to Midwest redneck, 07-17-2005 10:24:43  
Depending on the plant how long does the "roundup" have to stay on the leave to be effective. E.g. how long before a rain? How few days before the weeds can be ploughed uunder and still be assured of an effective kill?



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paul

07-18-2005 07:26:23




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 Re: Time required for Roundup grass killer to wor in reply to buickanddeere, 07-18-2005 06:16:57  
Actually glysophate is a non-select herbicide, it kills grasses & broadleaves. So this message title is a bit off. ;)

Depending on which glysophate product & additives one is using, it should be rain-fast in 1 hour to 8 hours time. The additives package can make a difference.

You should not cultivate for 3-7 days after spraying. For deep rooted perannual weeds (like Canadian Thistle) I would wait at least that long. Glysophate translocates into the root system & kills the plant very slowly. I would not want to rush that process after bothering to spray. If all you have are shallow-rooted annual weeds, probably the 3 days is enough time - longer might be wiser tho. Again, the additive package in your glyspohate can change the time required to wait on cultivating.

--->Paul

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Jimmy King

07-17-2005 20:51:39




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 Re: OT: Good Replacement for Roundup grass killer in reply to Midwest redneck, 07-17-2005 10:24:43  
Was at the local MFA the other day generic roundup $17 for a qt.



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paul

07-17-2005 20:42:28




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 Re: OT: Good Replacement for Roundup grass killer in reply to Midwest redneck, 07-17-2005 10:24:43  
Have you priced diesel fuel lately????? ;)

As well, spilling 20 gallons of that in my state subjects you to all sorts of EPA cleanup costs & soil testing for years.

Generic roundup - glysophate - costs as little as $15 a gallon in bulk. you can get a 2.5 gallon jug for under $60 just about anywhere. Will last you a few years if you don't let it freeze.

Start shopping & buy someplace cheaper, not from the garden center isle where they hose you on price.

--->Paul

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Redmud

07-17-2005 19:56:34




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 Re: OT: Good Replacement for Roundup grass killer in reply to Midwest redneck, 07-17-2005 10:24:43  
Go to your coop, Buccaneer glyphosate herbicide is what I get. it comes in a 2 1/2 gallon jug, cost 50 bucks in my small town, cheaper in the big city. you will use 2/3rds less of Buccaneer than you will of roundup.



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Davis In SC

07-17-2005 19:51:38




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 Re: OT: Good Replacement for Roundup grass killer in reply to Midwest redneck, 07-17-2005 10:24:43  
Adding a wetting agent is the secret to getting the most out of Roundup, A squirt of Dish Detergent makes a big difference in how it works...



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bcPA

07-17-2005 17:52:06




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 Re: OT: Good Replacement for Roundup grass killer in reply to Midwest redneck, 07-17-2005 10:24:43  
boiling hot water is supposed to do the job. Salt from the floor in a pretzel factory is advertised in the lancaster farming newspaper as useable for animal feed or to kill weeds.



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Bus Driver

07-17-2005 17:32:03




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 Re: OT: Good Replacement for Roundup grass killer in reply to Midwest redneck, 07-17-2005 10:24:43  
The premixed is the most costly. Next is gallons. The 2 1/2 gallon jug of Roundup Ultra is just a few dollars more than the 1 gallon size. Check farm supply stores.



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JeffE

07-17-2005 14:32:00




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 Re: OT: Good Replacement for Roundup grass killer in reply to Midwest redneck, 07-17-2005 10:24:43  
I had the same problem and found a godsend...I think it was someone on this board that recommended it. I used to have to spray Roundup on my driveway a couple times a year - in addition to the cost it was a pain in the butt. I found some weed killer granules that you sprinkle on the driveway - lasts all summer, weeds might grow just a little but then die out. Active ingredient is borate - not much different than putting borax on your driveway but a lot better at killing weeds. Works great - not sure how big your driveway is but you might want to check it out....can't remember the name of it, could check if you wanted it....bought it at Fleet Farm in Minnesota.

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big fred

07-17-2005 14:49:35




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 Re: OT: Good Replacement for Roundup grass killer in reply to JeffE, 07-17-2005 14:32:00  
I'm guessing what you used was monobor chlorate. It's a sterilant, in that it will kill any plants. It's good for about a year.



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Cliff Neubauer

07-17-2005 13:16:40




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 Re: OT: Good Replacement for Roundup grass killer in reply to Midwest redneck, 07-17-2005 10:24:43  
We've been buying generic glysophate in bulk for $13.50/gallon and I would think you could buy it in gallon or 2 1/2 gallon jugs alot cheaper than the $30-40/gallon price.



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txgrn

07-17-2005 12:44:22




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 Re: OT: Good Replacement for Roundup grass killer in reply to Midwest redneck, 07-17-2005 10:24:43  
TSC has some stuff that is $12 a quart and the mix ratio is ok. Works fine but you gotta wait a couple of weeks to really kill the bad stuff like poison ivy.....but it does it.

Mark



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MAC,IL

07-17-2005 11:49:56




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 Re: OT: Good Replacement for Roundup grass killer in reply to Midwest redneck, 07-17-2005 10:24:43  
I been using Hi-yield Kill-zall. Get it from the local elevator. 15-16$ a quart. A little slower than roundup, but effects are as good.



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Terry G

07-17-2005 11:26:34




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 Re: OT: Good Replacement for Roundup grass killer in reply to Midwest redneck, 07-17-2005 10:24:43  
Local Co-Op sells the generic roundup (41 percent Glyphosate) for 59.95. For use on grass I mix 1 ounce to 1 gallon of water. This puts the cost at about 19 cents per gallon for the mixed spray. On small bushes or bigger weeds I mix 2 ounces per gallon. Still only about 38 cents a gallon. Be patient, It takes several days for it to kill.
Terry G



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CNKS

07-17-2005 10:45:29




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 Re: OT: Good Replacement for Roundup grass killer in reply to Midwest redneck, 07-17-2005 10:24:43  
Buy the "farmer", that is full strength, 4 lb per gallon Roundup at a CO-OP or some farm related store, or a generic for $30-40 a gallon, and mix it with 2,4-D. As you know the premixed stuff is a ripoff. Roundup was developed as a grass herbicide. Mix it with a cheap broadleaf herbicide such as 2,4-D and it is more effective on broadleaves. Just keep the mixture away from your wife's flowers. But, if all you have is grass, the 2,4-D won't help.

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