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Versatile D145

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elswwJd

07-05-2005 09:22:17




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I have a Versatile D145 tractor with a Cummins 470cu in diesel engine with no engine id plate attached. I am trying to find out the model number of the engine. Cummins is no help without the block number. Can you give me any insights?




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Bob

07-05-2005 10:36:27




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 Re: Versatile D145 in reply to elswwJd, 07-05-2005 09:22:17  
I'm guessing my reply on the "classics" board didn't help you out!

If you're SURE it is the original "470" block, and has not been changed to the "504", I should be able to get you some numbers. I have 2 of those engines still in running order, and a junk block. I know one or more have lost their ID plates, but there still may be one or two around.



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elswwJd

07-05-2005 13:47:03




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 Re: Versatile D145 in reply to Bob, 07-05-2005 10:36:27  
Bob,

Sorry, but I haven"t seen your reply on the "classics" board. Can you direct me?

Thanks.



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elswwJd

07-05-2005 13:44:13




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 Re: Versatile D145 in reply to Bob, 07-05-2005 10:36:27  
Thanks. I do not know for sure that this is the original engine, or if it is for sure a 470. Don"t know the difference between a 470 and a 504. I just know that the pictures in the engine manual are identical to the one I have ....



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Bob

07-05-2005 14:14:02




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 Re: Versatile D145 in reply to elswwJd, 07-05-2005 13:44:13  
(I ASSUMED it was your post I replied to on the other board, since the IP address was the same.)

The basic engine looks the same, 470, or 504.

The 504 can have some changes in the coolant crossovers, accessory mounts and drives,etc., but many 470 shortblocks were changed out for 504 shortblocks without the other changes that a complete "504" would have had.

Depending upon what parts you need, many interchange... bearings, gaskets, heads, probably the sleeve seals, etc.. Crankshafts, and, I believe, rods and pistons are different.

Where are you located? I am in north central ND.

If you have any specific questions, post back, and I'll try to help. I won't get a chance to get the dataplate information until I get to the farm tomorrow.

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elswwJd

05-09-2006 05:31:52




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 Re: Versatile D145 in reply to Bob, 07-05-2005 14:14:02  
Bob,
Did you get out to look at your Versatile?



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elswwJd

07-06-2005 09:08:03




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 Re: Versatile D145 in reply to Bob, 07-05-2005 14:14:02  
Bob,

Thanks for the help. My Versatile is supposed to be the 185 HP version. It aslo has a factory PTO. I am told that I am lucky to have it. Back to the issue at hand, the engine. I have cooland in the oil. I should fully rebuild the engine, so I would need seals, gaskets, bearings, etc. Do you know of any other way to ID the engine or find the block number? I am grasping at straws here.



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elswwJd

07-06-2005 09:09:53




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 Re: Versatile D145 in reply to elswwJd, 07-06-2005 09:08:03  
Sorry, I failed to give my location: about 50 miles south east of Denver. Not TOO far from ND.....



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