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Buying mig welder

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RobPA

07-03-2005 19:47:30




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I'm looking to buy a new mig welder. I know everybody has a favorite brand. Figure Lincoln, Miller or Hobart. Which one is best for home use for cost, warranty and such. Are the 110 volt migs any good? I have a 220 volt Miller stick right now. Thanks




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Truetramp

07-11-2005 01:04:37




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 Re: Buying mig welder in reply to RobPA, 07-03-2005 19:47:30  
They all claim to do one thing or the other, an some of your off brand welders are made by Holbart,Lincoln an Miller, what to take in mind is what how often are you going to use it, will you beable to find parts for it in a few years the thickness of metal you usally weld an the most this to consider is 110 or 220. Using 220 your going to consume half the amperage you use, if it were running on 110. Now in my 40 years of welding i have found if your doing heavy or long welding, the 110 welders tend to peter out an kick off an even with a brand new one i was using out in the Arizona dessert during the Summer months, they just dont keep up. Buy a 220 one an kinda go like 25% heavy then you'll think you'll ever weld an it'll be something you can pass on to your kids or grandchildren..... Tramp

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big fred

07-05-2005 19:27:36




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 Re: Buying mig welder in reply to RobPA, 07-03-2005 19:47:30  
I ended up buying a Weldmark 135 Plus. I was looking at the Lincoln SP-135 Plus and went into my local dealer and he showed me the Weldmark. Same exact item as the Lincoln except about 60 bucks less, gray paint and no NASCAR sticker. Same warranty as the Lincoln. It's worked well on up to 1/8 thick, for anything thicker I have my Lincoln stick welder.



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TimV

07-04-2005 07:44:38




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 Re: Buying mig welder in reply to RobPA, 07-03-2005 19:47:30  
RobPA: At the risk of belaboring the obvious, the big question here is what do you plan on doing with this welder? If you're doing sheet metal work and light stuff, the 110 will be fine. If you're doing anything heavier, you're going to be disappointed in a 110. I have a Hobart Handler 135 (110V) and while it's an excellent welder it is useless on anything 1/8" and up. There's several discussions in the archives on this topic--search and you'll find lots of good advice. As far as brand, any of the three you mentioned make a good, competitive machine. My advice would be to stay away from the off brands--too many people have had too many problems and the price difference is not enough to warrant the aggrivation. Finally, by all means get a gas kit--while flux-core wire has its place, a gas kit will give you better, cleaner welds in most applications.

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Joe(TX)

07-05-2005 09:52:33




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 Re: Buying mig welder in reply to TimV, 07-04-2005 07:44:38  
A 135 should handle thicher than 1/8 with no problem. Are you using large enough wire for the thicker stuff or using the same wire as for sheet metal? I've welded 1/4 in with my 100a mig.



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TimV

07-05-2005 14:50:25




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 Re: Buying mig welder in reply to Joe(TX), 07-05-2005 09:52:33  
Joe: I use 0.030" most of the time but I have used 0.035" with no better results. I've welded 1/4" with it before, but only could get a good weld if I preheated the area first. While this is a possibility if you have no other recourse, it's cumbersome and not very practical for large jobs. Of course, I could also "V" and fill, but as I also have a Lincoln AC225, I have no reason to fight with the Hobart when I need to weld thicker material--I just fire up the stick welder. I've used several other 110 MIG welders, and universally they're not up to doing a good job on anything much over 1/8".

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MarkB_MI

07-04-2005 05:13:29




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 Re: Buying mig welder in reply to RobPA, 07-03-2005 19:47:30  
I've been happy with my Lincoln SP-170. My brother-in-law, who has used it more than me, liked it so much he bought an SP-175 for himself. (The SP-170 is no longer made.) I'm sure the Miller units are good, too.

I would not recommend a 110V MIG welder unless you really have to have one. The local welding supply told me the 110 rigs are popular with snow plow operators: They keep a welder in their truck; if something breaks, they just find an outlet an tack it back together. The problem with the 110 rigs, as I see it, is that you really need a 20 amp circuit minimum and most older wiring is only 15 amp.

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Stan in Oly, WA

07-03-2005 21:30:17




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 Re: Buying mig welder in reply to RobPA, 07-03-2005 19:47:30  
Hi, Rob

My experience with wire feed is too limited for me to have a useful opinion about best. I'm sure you'll get some lively discussion here, from people who generally know what they're talking about.

Something which may not come up, or not get the emphasis I feel it deserves, is the duty cycle. Since, unlike stick, it's possible to run weld with wire feed for as long as there's metal in front of you, the duty cycle is more than just a matter of convenience---it can have an impact on the life of your machine.

Lincoln and Miller are quality machines (Hobart will have to prove itself since it's now the low end of Miller) and may not suffer from repeated thermal overload. Then again, they might. I've heard that the cheap machines like Century and Chicago Electric become more sensitive to thermal overload the more times the breaker trips.

I realize that wire feed machines start getting expensive once you get above 200 amps, but it might be worthwhile to shop for the lowest duty cycle you think you can live with, rather than the lowest power. If you knew that you'd never need more than 125 amps, for instance, you still might not be satisfied if your machine could only deliver that amount at a 10% duty cycle.

Having the use of stick machines with unlimited duty cycle at the trade school where I spend a lot of time, I find myself impatient with the limited duty cycle of the buzz box welders I have in my home shop.

Something to think about, at least.

All the best, Stan

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toolmaker

07-05-2005 00:22:43




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 Re: Buying mig welder in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 07-03-2005 21:30:17  
I have a hobart handler 170. it's been a great welder so far. I use a miller 110 at work and the wire tends to hang up on both machines if cables aren't somewhat straight when using flux core wire. swithed to solid wire with gas and haven't had any trouble since. I do like my hobart a little better due to the higher amperage.



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