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cr-mo

07-02-2005 18:34:53




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what can you add to clay soil to take moisture out?




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Joe ll

07-03-2005 05:08:29




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 Re: clay soil in reply to cr-mo, 07-02-2005 18:34:53  
Properly installed tile drainage.



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MarkB_MI

07-03-2005 04:53:39




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 Re: clay soil in reply to cr-mo, 07-02-2005 18:34:53  
That water is coming from somewhere. Could be a broken water main, backed-up septic tank, bad leach field, or about anything else. You need to find the source.



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txgrn

07-03-2005 04:47:40




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 Re: clay soil in reply to cr-mo, 07-02-2005 18:34:53  
Till day B4 yesterday we had a drought here in N. Texas. My hay patch was cut about the time it got dry and had done a reasonable job of regrowing in spite of the fact that it hadn't rained for a month.

The clay soil did the trick. I know it's gummy and unmanageable when it's wet, but that same moisture holding ability is what saves you when maw nature doesn't cooperate. You just have to work it when it wants to be worked.....like something else I can think of. Grin

Had a neighbor plant and harvest a pretty good crop of peas and it didn't rain from start to finish. Can't do that with sandy loam.

Mark

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Mark - IN.

07-03-2005 05:39:19




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 Re: clay soil in reply to txgrn, 07-03-2005 04:47:40  
Good morning Mark.

Somewhere, buried in one of the family photo albums is a picture from the early '60's of an uncles JD (think was a 60 or 70) standing up like "...three, two, one, blast off". My cousin got those moldboards really dug into clay, and the rears got dug in too, and gravity went right out the window. Up, up, and away she went. Don't remember if he killed her and jumped off, or he jumped off and she stalled, but made for a good picture, since he didn't get hurt and she didn't go all the way over.

Mark

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txgrn

07-03-2005 06:29:10




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 Re: clay soil in reply to Mark - IN., 07-03-2005 05:39:19  
Mark,

He was really lucky that he had the plow behind him which probably prevented a roll over.

People tried moldboards here but for the reasons mentioned had to go to rolling disc type plows and chisels.

Mark



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John A.

07-02-2005 19:52:46




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 Re: clay soil in reply to cr-mo, 07-02-2005 18:34:53  
cr, ..... Sunlight!...LOL... usually 3days of full sun and wind then it will dry out.
Seriously, when one starts amending soil it will run into money pretty fast. On a small garden spot thats one thing, on a large field ...now that is something else. What is the nature of the problem ...or what is the intent?
Later,
John A



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txgrn

07-03-2005 04:49:16




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 Re: clay soil in reply to John A., 07-02-2005 19:52:46  
Enjoyed the chat yesterday. See my post about the bearings on tractor talk?

Mark



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Unimog

07-02-2005 18:58:07




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 Re: clay soil in reply to cr-mo, 07-02-2005 18:34:53  
Sand and organic material.



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cr-mo

07-02-2005 20:23:03




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 Re: clay soil in reply to Unimog, 07-02-2005 18:58:07  
an area about 15'x20'. area stays damp [front lawn].reason unknown, just moved in.



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FarmerDave

07-02-2005 20:49:04




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 Re: clay soil in reply to cr-mo, 07-02-2005 20:23:03  
Well is it a low area? Does the roof drain there? Is the septic leach field there? Do you know what a french drain or drain tile is?



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Mark - IN.

07-03-2005 05:24:32




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 Re: clay soil in reply to FarmerDave, 07-02-2005 20:49:04  
Good morning Dave. Good question, by those dimensions, where's the septic. If is staying saturated, would run some tiles out from the drywell for additional drainage. Had that problem in a past house - dug trenches from the drywell, laid in a few inches of sand, covered by a few inches of stone, laid the tiles on top, covered it all with a few rolls of thick plastic to keep the dirt from filtering down into the stone and clogging them up, then buried it all. Worked well. Otherwise, by the time everyone gets done with showers/baths, washing machine, dishes, etc, will be pumping a tank far more often than ever need to, IF it turns out to be septic. Not bad idea to run the washing machine out onto the lawn anyway - the soap kills the bacteria in the septic tank (very bad), and the soap and water emusifies the dirt out on the lawn (very good).

Mark

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buickanddeere

07-03-2005 17:56:18




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 Re: clay soil in reply to Mark - IN., 07-03-2005 05:24:32  
Did the same here. Took the washing machine and water softener drain off the septic system and onto it's own drain. Just wish more plumbing was reachable without tearing walls apart. We should be running the dishwasher and shower drains out the same grey water line. The geniuses who built the house even connected the basement floor drain to the septic system??? Another new drain that was dug in take the foundation perimeter tile drains and roof down spouts. This drain was routed along the septic bed a few ft uphill. The trench was back filled with drainage stone to the very top. Now surface water runs across the yard and down the drain. Rather than flooding across and down into the weeping bed Previous owners had all kinds of trouble, we've been ok so far. Weeping bed is eight 60 ft long trenches back filled with 2 ft of gravel and 9" of top soil. Problem is the soil is almost impervious blue clay. The clay is so hard a 322 Bobcat escavator would barely make scratch marks.

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Leroy

07-05-2005 18:47:21




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 Re: clay soil in reply to buickanddeere, 07-03-2005 17:56:18  
would not be allowed here, all grey water has to go in the septic system, drain water no



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