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scdietsche

06-27-2005 11:22:56




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WE just got a new torch head with oxygen/acetylene tanks the last torch head blew up on me luckily it was during the winter so i had a winter coat and sweatshirt on before the fireball could get to my skin. But with the new torch i don't know if i'm doing it wrong and if there is some trick but when i cut the metal it will cut it but when i keep going, where i had just cut the metal that i am cutting now will flow into the previously cut spot so when i get done there will be little holes and then places where the already cut metal flowed back into the cut areas. so then i will have to go back and recut it so i can get the metal piece out. THe torch we had before was a bigger one and the one we bought now is smaller. but i am kinda thinking that it is just the way i am cutting the metal. i have tried angleing the torch but there must be some way so that when i cut the metal the first time the cut piece will fall out and not be bound together by little beads of liquid meatl that flowed back into the line of cut thanks scott

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Don L C

07-01-2005 19:47:01




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 Re: Cutting metal with torch in reply to scdietsche, 06-27-2005 11:22:56  
Try up-ing your oxy. pressure to 40 - 45#



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ed1

06-28-2005 10:37:37




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 Re: Cutting metal with torch in reply to scdietsche, 06-27-2005 11:22:56  
Scott

You've gotten some good advice. My 2 cents are to find someone who really knows how to use a torch to show you how to use it. It only takes a few minutes to show you how to get the flame to the correct color and height. Knowing how to use the regulators is also important as well as other noises/smells to look out for. A training video might also be good.

I'm concerned that the tourch blew up and how your cutting metal. It sounds like your not blowing the slag away and it's probably pluggin up the tip and causing flashback in the torch it's self. You probably had a fire in the torch that melted the brass and leaked acetylene that ignighted. Did you hear a high pitch squeel or notice the torch getting hot?

Since most torches don't have flashback protectors I strongly suggest you get some if their not already on.

Also, be careful of your Acetylene pressure and don't let it go into the danger zone as it could explode.

On the pressures I have a big torch and like to run 10-12 for the acetline and 70 pounds for the O2. for cutting to really blow the slag away. For welding I like a balanced 3-10 pounds depending on the tip. I'm mostly below 5 as arc weldiong is better for the real big stuff.

Good luck and stay safe

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Coloken

06-27-2005 19:48:22




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 Re: Cutting metal with torch in reply to scdietsche, 06-27-2005 11:22:56  
Tried to keep my mouth shut but could not. 40 lbs of oxygen is enough to cut railroad tracks. For most lighter iron 20 to 30 is plenty. Oxygen cost money. With poor regulators, which most are, hit the oxygen and re-adjust the mixture a second time. A good cutter can make a cut all most as smooth as a hacksaw. Practice and practice some more. I got a hunch it is the speed you move and shakey hands. You might try T-bone's method and adjust things back and forth and see what effect each thing has. A quick class is all ways a good idea. Any experienced welders there that could look over your shoulder and give you tips?

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Dale in Ar.

06-27-2005 18:32:51




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 Re: Cutting metal with torch in reply to scdietsche, 06-27-2005 11:22:56  
One other bit of advice,angle the torch toward the metal in the direction you are about to cut but not at too much of an angle.This preheats the metal and blows the slag away from where you had been.This will also cut down on the amount of gas you use.An old welder told me this and it hasn't failed me yet.



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scdietsche

06-27-2005 17:43:26




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 Re: Cutting metal with torch in reply to scdietsche, 06-27-2005 11:22:56  
Thanks for all the good advice. i'm actually only gonna be a freshman in high school next year and i was gonna take a metals class but couldn't fit it into my schedual. I'v mostly learned from my dad and brothers and have been told that the oxy@30-32 and the acet@7-10 mabey the oxy could be my problem. I just live on a farm and so i can kinda build things and try out things alot its really nice. As for that other torch it hadn't been working for along time even my dad or some other friends we know you are good at this could get it working, but we don't use the torch that much and it would work enough for how much we used it, somthing was just pluged in it and it never really worked. BUt thanks again for all the help i'm sure hope some of these things work scott

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Stan in Oly, WA

06-27-2005 18:45:53




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 Re: Cutting metal with torch in reply to scdietsche, 06-27-2005 17:43:26  
Hi, Scott

Here is the location of one of the best descriptions of torch cutting I have seen posted on this forum. It is in the archives.

GAS SETTINGS FOR CUTTING AND WELDING
Posted by T_Bone on January 24, 2002 at 16:36:44 from (207.173.149.113):
In Reply to: Re: Re: Re: Is Gas Welding Practical? posted by Tim Briggs on January 24, 2002 at 13:43:46:

After reading and following T_Bone's advice, my torch cutting showed great improvement. Yours will too.

BTW, I've read hundreds of T_Bone's postings, and the tone of this one is unusual for him. It sounds a little giddy to me. I've always wondered what kind of a strange mood he was in when he wrote it. Absolutely no disrespect intended. T_Bone is one of the few living individuals who I admire (and none of the others are politicians or religious leaders.)

All the best, Stan

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T_Bone

06-28-2005 07:17:49




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 Re: Cutting metal with torch in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 06-27-2005 18:45:53  
Hi Scott,

I would like a detailed discription of what happened when your torch exploded as it would of interest to the group to fully understand the safety concerns while using a torch so this problem does not re-occur.

Your using too much preheat for the thickness of metal your cutting along with a dirty cutting tip is whats causing the problems your having. It's most likely your cutting speed is also too slow but without correcting the first two problems, you will not be able to tell.

What happens when you use too much preheat? The molten metal is very liquid in width and when you try to blow the heated molten puddle with oxygen, the puddle runs to the back of the direction your cutting and reforms a weak bond behind your cutting tip. This new molten puddle is high enriched oxygen and carbon making it very hard and brittle thus when your try to reheat this area it takes longer to preheat as well resist being blown out by the oxygen from the hardness of the metal and will cause molten metal too blow out and back onto the cutter.

With the correct preheat flame temperature the molten puddle will not form as wide thus you will achive a narrow cut without any molten puddle run back.

With a dirty cutting tip several problems arise. First with the preheat orifices drity you will not achive a even preheat to start the cut. It will take more preheat to start the cut with a dirty tip than with a clean tip. Second once preheat has been established then the if the center tip orifice is not cleaned then slag will collect on the backside of the base metal and the cut face will be ragged.

The above problems will cause a slower forward cutting speed thus once again cause base metal over heating allowing the harden slag to refrom behind the cutting tip.

Although not one of my better written posts, Stan has refferenced a good thread to read.

*************************************************

Hi Stan,

I was on some new medication at that time. Although I made it sound like Branden had bothered me with his geezer comment, he really didn't and I was joking alot in that post. I see now that wasn't the correct thing to do as Branden did not post very much after that and that is a shame. I changed my writing style alot after those inappropriate comments I made.

T_Bone

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scdietsche

06-28-2005 07:55:47




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 Re: Cutting metal with torch in reply to T_Bone, 06-28-2005 07:17:49  
Hey T_Bone thanks for al he great advise for i will be rereading and trying it till i can hopefully start cutting the metal with no problems.. lots of practice i guess. As for that torch that blew up i was cutting a couple of holes in a extending quick hitch for a tractor when the hoses that connect to the torch itself is where the fireball came from i ran as quickly as i could to shut off the valves on the tanks and when i look at my coat it had burnt through the coat and my sweatshirt and a little through my pants. then when i closely looked at the torch(which was very hot) i saw that it almost looked like the hoses had burned off where they connect to the torch but i don't think that could have happened. but the torch had been giving us some problems. where we could get the torch lit but when trying to get the cutting flame or appling oxy it would sputter and go out or just play go out. we had clean many times (the tip) and kept trying it . somtimes it would work other times it wouldn't. this torch was a very heavy and bigger torch than the ones you see in the stores now days cause we only could find a smaller torch and not one the same size as what we had. So what happened when that fireball hit me i kinda threw it/ the fireball kinda thrusted it out of my hands and then i turned off the valves and i would have to admit was shaking from what just happened told my dad and we don't really know why it did what it did but its all good now. and i kinda just what to be able to cut better so it will be easier doing it. thanks for all the help guys i know from other posting and responses that this is the place to ask
Scott

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shannon from ohio

06-27-2005 17:28:40




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 Re: Cutting metal with torch in reply to scdietsche, 06-27-2005 11:22:56  
Also m.ake sure the flashback arrestors are installed and working properly. I had a set of hoses explode one time because of a faulty flashback arrestor.(Not good on the ears).



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JMS/MN

06-27-2005 16:59:23




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 Re: Cutting metal with torch in reply to scdietsche, 06-27-2005 11:22:56  
I agree with Hound- if you have had no formal training in use of a torch, it's a good time to learn. You'll get a wide variety of responses here regarding pressure settings, but I agree that 7/40 is in the right neighborhood. I was taught to use an oxidizing flame, not carburizing, and make the final adjustment to the blue flame with the torch oxy handle pulled. Release the handle, preheat with the blue flame just touching the steel, then pull the handle and slowly move to cut. Too fast a speed, low oxy pressure, or a dirty torch will leave a jagged cut and globs. A carburizing flame (blue flame with yellow feather three times as long as the blue) is used for heating, brazing, etc. Takes training and practice, two hands on the torch, and guides don't hurt either.

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Hound

06-27-2005 15:34:26




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 Re: Cutting metal with torch in reply to scdietsche, 06-27-2005 11:22:56  
...at the risk of sounding like a safety cop here, please don't take this the wrong way but.... maybe your last explosion was a sign....everybody here has the best intentions with their advice....but when it comes to a subject like this, you should really call a local tech. school and take a couple of night courses or such. Proper tool set up, safety precautions and proper technique are generally ignored when it comes to using torches. You need to learn this. Hound

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MTAYLOR449

06-27-2005 15:05:58




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 Re: Cutting metal with torch in reply to scdietsche, 06-27-2005 11:22:56  
using the torch set oxy @40psi. acet @ 7psi . do not put the tip against the metal keep it away about a half inch. once you see the metal going red the start pressing the oxygen trigger. keep you speed slow and steady to get a clean cut. Try a piece of scarp first to get use to it . there are alot of different size tip and also there are tipa for mapp gas and propane do not get the wrong one. Link

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MAC,IL

06-27-2005 13:38:07




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 Re: Cutting metal with torch in reply to scdietsche, 06-27-2005 11:22:56  
If you got a clean tip, the acet/oxy setting is correct, there should be no molten metal gobbibg up. It should be a clean cut. Try adjusting your cutting speed. Maybe take some scrap and practice a little.



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dr.sportster

06-27-2005 13:02:43




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 Re: Cutting metal with torch in reply to scdietsche, 06-27-2005 11:22:56  
Try a tip with a larger center hole for the oxygen stream.Bigger tip.



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Vince H

06-27-2005 12:52:04




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 Re: Cutting metal with torch in reply to scdietsche, 06-27-2005 11:22:56  
I have not done much torch cutting at all, but will pose a few ideas that come to mind. First is, does the molten metal have anywhere to go. If it is supported on saw horses or such I would expect that the slag should just drip off and not flow around the cut. Have you tried adjusting the speed which you cut at. If you slow down it might create enough heat long enough for the molten metal to drip off instead of solidifying behind the cut. Just a couple of thoughts.

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jmerp

07-03-2005 01:09:40




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 Re: Cutting metal with torch in reply to Vince H, 06-27-2005 12:52:04  
one rookie mistake i see occasionally is not pulling oxy cut valve fully and starving cut of oxy,



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