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cool idea. wonder if it would work?

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oliver dave

06-23-2005 07:42:53




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I have a old air compesser that the elec motor is bad. My idea is to put a 8hp brigs on it and instead of using a by pass valve, take the elec mower deck clutch off a old mower and put it on the 8horse. Wire the clutch though the old elec pressure switch using the charging wire off the motor.What do you all think ,think this would work?




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Nolan

06-24-2005 03:53:58




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 Re: cool idea. wonder if it would work? in reply to oliver dave, 06-23-2005 07:42:53  
If that clutch isn't heavy enough, use one from an automotive a/c compressor. Those things are remarkably robust under load.



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david - OR

06-23-2005 08:56:35




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 Re: cool idea. wonder if it would work? in reply to oliver dave, 06-23-2005 07:42:53  
I suspect you will end up frying the clutch in short order.

A mower clutch typically engages when the mower blade is not spinning and there is not heavy grass in the way. The initial reactive torque applied to the clutch is only the rotational inertia of the blades. The blades get spun up to speed and then the clutch remains locked as you proceed into the workload.

A compressor, on the other hand, must start pumping into a tank already pressurized. When the clutch kicks in, there is a lot of resistance to overcome to drive more air into the tank. The clutch must slip as the compressor is gradually brought up to the same speed as the motor. I don't think mower clutches are designed for this amount of slippage from a dead stop or to overcome such a high static load simultaneous with a substantial mismatch of speed.

The other issue is whether the motor's governor and carburetor can react fast enough to go from no load to full load without stalling. A slipping clutch will mitigate this, but then we are back to problem #1.

But if the parts don't cost anything, it is worth a try...

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oliverdave

06-24-2005 06:39:16




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 Re: cool idea. wonder if it would work? in reply to david - OR, 06-23-2005 08:56:35  
I took that it to acount when I thought it though .The pressure switch has a blow down on it , and under the pump (before the one way valve) there is a little tank that the blowdown valve will depressure,so the pump will be able to spin about 2-4 times before it comes up to pressure.



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Van in AR

06-23-2005 22:23:27




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 Re: cool idea. wonder if it would work? in reply to david - OR, 06-23-2005 08:56:35  
You won"t fry the clutch if you plumb in a unloader valve, those mower clutches are pretty tough also.
Van



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Jon H

06-23-2005 10:28:25




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 Re: cool idea. wonder if it would work? in reply to david - OR, 06-23-2005 08:56:35  
I built a portable gas engine driven compressor using a York brand AC compressor with the stock magnetic clutch controlled by a pressure switch coneected in the 12V feed wire. It works great with the pressure switch cycling the magnetic clutch on at 90 psi and off at 125. I installed two pop off valves in the pressure tank as a saftey percaution because a seized bearing in the magnetic clutch will drive the compressor even though the clutch power is off.

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Slowpoke

06-26-2005 02:16:37




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 Re: cool idea. wonder if it would work? in reply to Jon H, 06-23-2005 10:28:25  
Jon,
Are you using the York AC unit as the compressor? If so, what volume do you estimate it puts out at 90 psi? I've always wanted to install an air compressor on my '79 Ford pickup for a portable air supply. AC was an option but the truck doesn't have it, although I do have a complete unit from the wreckers, just never installed it. It may be an upright York compressor.
Slowpoke



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oliverdave

06-26-2005 14:53:26




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 Re: cool idea. wonder if it would work? in reply to Slowpoke, 06-26-2005 02:16:37  
I'm not using a AC pump.It's a old 1920's aircompressor that the motor is bad.And I just happen to have a gas motor and clutch and i'm trying to figure if it will work.Before I go though the work.



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