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'Nother concrete question

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Ludwig

06-15-2005 11:04:43




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We're gonna be building a shed a camp pretty soon to keep all our tools and stuff we don't want to keep in the camp in. Lately we've (Dad and I) been talking about what to set the shed on. Ideally we'd pour a slab but the camp is so far back from the road it'd be tough to get a readymix truck in and we want to make it 8x16 so it'd be alot of mixing...
So the idea now is to dig down to ledge which isn't more than about 2' drive some pins, lay concrete block and fill the voids with concrete. The posts would only be about 3' high total depending on how deep the ledge is for each one. Figure to do 6 total.
Anybody done something like that? Seems like alot less work than sono tubes.

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vapor

06-16-2005 20:04:16




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 Re: 'Nother concrete question in reply to Ludwig, 06-15-2005 11:04:43  
If you're really wet with a lot of freeze/thaw back there you may want to think twice about using a concrete slab. It could wick a lot of moisture, rust your tools, and rot out the sill plates. I'd also be concerned about using porous concrete block in wet and frozen ground. They sure seem to break up pretty easy when left out for a few winters.

Maybe just pin some sonotubes to the ledge and run them up 8" above grade, then build a regular wooden floor frame. Use some of those steel standoffs so the rim joists aren't sitting right on top of the concrete piers. Dig out a few inches deep under the shed (before you build the floor platform!), put down a vapor barrier and cover it with gravel. This will keep the underside of the floor pretty dry. Run some chiken wire around the perimeter to keep the critters out. The entire diameter of the sonotubes should be located inside the sheathing.

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JeffE

06-16-2005 04:46:53




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 Re: 'Nother concrete question in reply to Ludwig, 06-15-2005 11:04:43  
One other thought is to rent/borrow a skidsteer - dump the ready mix in the loader from the truck, run it down the road, dump and return - it can go pretty fast and saves all the mixing.



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Ludwig

06-16-2005 12:52:53




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 Re: 'Nother concrete question in reply to JeffE, 06-16-2005 04:46:53  
Thought about that too. Trouble is the readymix truck couldn't get closer than about 300 yards and its not a straight shot. It'd be easier to build a box in the back of the pickup truck if I were going to go that route.

This is one of those rustic camps, sits on a little fish pond in a little hollow, but for example this spring it rained all the time and it was strictly 4 wheel drive to get in or out. Sits about 3/4 mile back from the road. The challenge for the readymix truck is how narrow the field road is. It'd take me a month to cut enough trees to get the readymix truck in.

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farmall300u

06-15-2005 18:00:01




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 Re: 'Nother concrete question in reply to Ludwig, 06-15-2005 11:04:43  
I have problems with my tools rusting in my shed which is 10 x 14 on a concrete slap in upstate NY. I installed a vapor barrier which I thought would prevent moisture from coming throught he concrete, but did not do the job. I finally had to install a wood floor to fix the problem. I would go with the tubes to get above ground.



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Bill in NorthCentral PA

06-15-2005 17:32:15




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 Re: 'Nother concrete question in reply to Ludwig, 06-15-2005 11:04:43  
Ludwig, How about 4x4 treated posts with a wood floor framed just above grade? I have built several where we use posts to above grade, bolt rim joists to the posts, hang floor joits, and sheath with plywood. Then it is just standard frame construction from there. Digging six holes sure beats digging all the way around!

Good Luck,

Bill



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Ludwig

06-16-2005 12:47:21




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 Re: 'Nother concrete question in reply to Bill in NorthCentral PA, 06-15-2005 17:32:15  
Thought about that. I used those castle blocks for the base when I built the porch on the camp. My worry is heaving, this is northern Maine so it gets plenty cold in the winter and the ground is likely to get plenty wet. The only part of the camp that heaves is where one of the tubes wasn't pinned to the ledge and fell over. We piled blocks until we get a chance to put in a new post but that heaves and settles like a son of a gun.

Anything we build will either have to all float like a slab or be totally pinned to the ledge like with posts. We've got alot of moisture because everything's hung on the side of a hill and runoff is sometimes a problem. So anything we build needs to be overbuilt to withstand the area and periodic lack of maintenance. I don't want to be jacking on the shed every year...

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RegoR

06-17-2005 06:06:20




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 Re: 'Nother concrete question in reply to Ludwig, 06-16-2005 12:47:21  
Hi Ludwig;
Know anyone in Caribou? Not that this applies to your tool shed queries, but a former Mainiac wants to know ;-)
Roger



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Dug

06-15-2005 19:26:20




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 I agree with Bill. in reply to Bill in NorthCentral PA, 06-15-2005 17:32:15  
For the size of shed you are looking at, 4x4 posts would work fine.


Dug



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Dug

06-15-2005 19:25:43




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 I agree with Bill. in reply to Bill in NorthCentral PA, 06-15-2005 17:32:15  
For the size of shed you are looking at, 4x4 posts would work fine.


Dug



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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

06-15-2005 19:22:26




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 Re: 'Nother concrete question in reply to Bill in NorthCentral PA, 06-15-2005 17:32:15  
And you can buy those concrete bases the 4X4 posts fit into for about 5 bucks apiece.



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Sid

06-15-2005 17:18:57




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 Re: 'Nother concrete question in reply to Ludwig, 06-15-2005 11:04:43  
Not saying it wouldn't work but sona tubes are a lot lighter and easier to handle. Not sure about the cost, though I think they would be cheaper.



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Gas powered cement mixer

06-15-2005 12:37:16




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 Re: 'Nother concrete question in reply to Ludwig, 06-15-2005 11:04:43  
Unless you are too old or feeble a cement mixer would be a good way to pour your cocrete.Go your own pace-I enjoy mixing.8x16 isn't much-remember the Alamo!



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