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Midwest redneck

06-15-2005 02:08:26

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I am going to start to pour my cement pilings for my deck this weekend. Here is my question, there is a cement that doesnt require mixing...I guess you just dump the bag in the hole and pour a gallon of water in the hole and presto concrete is automatically mixed and sets up good. DOES THIS REALLY WORK? I sure would like to not have to mix 15 bags of crete for 9 holes.

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Steve Crum

06-15-2005 21:33:40

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Re: concrete question in reply to Midwest redneck, 06-15-2005 02:08:26

Did 18 yards of it the old fashion way on Tuesday!
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Dug

06-15-2005 18:24:32

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Re: concrete question in reply to Midwest redneck, 06-15-2005 02:08:26

Forget the tube and pour crete directly in the hole. Pre mixing is better, but what you described will work fine if given enough time Don't expect to come back the next day and have the post set firmly. Give it a few days.

Dug

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Andy

06-15-2005 09:52:16

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Re: concrete question in reply to Midwest redneck, 06-15-2005 02:08:26

I"m working on setting some fence posts as we speak. I set the post, pour in dry concrete mix around the post, level the post, then add maybe a 1/2 sprinkling can of water for good measure. Works great. I have also just left the dry mix in the ground and it will soak up the moisture from the surrounding dirt and harden up in a day or so, depending on how much rain you"ve had lately...

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txgrn

06-15-2005 05:22:12

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Re: concrete question in reply to Midwest redneck, 06-15-2005 02:08:26

Have done it for years and come back years later and removed the pole to find the concrete as good as if I had mixed it with water first.

I use no initial moisture. Just dump the bags in and tamp tight. Makes it nice as you can continue construction without having to wait for it to set up and it holds the posts rigid.

Mark

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Midwest redneck

06-15-2005 07:49:56

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Re: concrete question in reply to txgrn, 06-15-2005 05:22:12

What I plan on doing (or want to do) is....I already have 9 holes dug with, 10+ inches in diameter then I will use 8" sonitubes and set the tubes down at the bottom of the hole and dump one bag of crete in + one gallon of water and let it set, do this to all 9 holes then come back the next day and put another bag in each tube, and put my post anchor with a lag bolt on top of each, I figure about 2 bags per hole, My 4X6 post will be about 24" tall above the concrete pier. Then I will back fill with dirt around each pier.

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Sid

06-15-2005 17:07:12

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Re: concrete question in reply to Midwest redneck, 06-15-2005 07:49:56

Yes there are premixes available in the sack. They tend to settle and separate in shipping and handling. I am not sure why you want to use a sona tube but no matter you can not dump a sack in a form (that is what sona tube is) and pour a gallon of water on top and get good results. It must be mixed, to get good concrete, before putting in a form.

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paul

06-15-2005 14:52:44

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Re: concrete question in reply to Midwest redneck, 06-15-2005 07:49:56

Guess it will work - you are using rebar right? Tho I'd much prefer mixing & making one pour per hole, not come back a day later & creat that seam between the pours. But the rebar should kinda hold things together even if you are making 2 weaker pancake discs for each footer. With the tubes, I'd be real worried about water getting in & making concrete out of it, you might have a few inches of crete on top & a foot of powder below, I donno.

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Bill in NorthCentral PA

06-15-2005 17:37:51

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Re: concrete question in reply to paul, 06-15-2005 14:52:44

I agree on the water not getting into the concrete through teh sonnotubes. Good call.

I would argue that the rebar between two halves is a waste of money. I think you would be better off pouring the whole thing at one time and forcing rebar pieces 4" down into the mix (or pouring all but 4", place bars, pour rest.

Good Luck,

Bill

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txgrn

06-17-2005 03:15:14

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Re: concrete question in reply to Bill in NorthCentral PA, 06-15-2005 17:37:51

Since he is going anchor to the footings, I think I'd mix and pour it in the normal fasion and when partially cured (enough to support it) force the rebar/anchors into it as you said.

Mark

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Galen

06-15-2005 04:44:28

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Re: concrete question in reply to Midwest redneck, 06-15-2005 02:08:26

Works good for setting posts. Not good for footings. If you dig the hole, pour the footing (let it set), THEN use it AROUND the post, you will be ok - as long as the post is not terribly tall. A LOT of fence posts are set this way in the 'burbs.

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MarkB_MI

06-15-2005 02:55:45

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Re: concrete question in reply to Midwest redneck, 06-15-2005 02:08:26

If you're not in a hurry, there's no need to add water to the concrete mix. It will absorb water from the ground and set up plenty hard in a few days.

I assume you're talking about concrete AROUND the post, not concrete for footers UNDER the post. If you're pouring footers, you need to mix the concrete so it will level out a the bottom of the hole.

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Fawteen

06-15-2005 02:11:08

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Re: concrete question in reply to Midwest redneck, 06-15-2005 02:08:26

I have heard people do that with Sakrete. I've never tried it.

If I were using it as a footing, I'd probably be okay with it. If I were pouring it around a post already in place, I wouldn't trust it.

JMHO, YMMV.

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Dug

06-15-2005 18:21:28

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Re: concrete question in reply to Fawteen, 06-15-2005 02:11:08

Hi Fawteen,

Enjoy your posts, but what the heck is "YMMV"?

Dug

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06-15-2005 19:48:36

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Re: concrete question in reply to Dug, 06-15-2005 18:21:28

Just My Humble Opinion but I think that's Your Mileage May Vary

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Dug

06-15-2005 22:37:58

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Re: concrete question in reply to RP, 06-15-2005 19:48:36

Thanks, RP.

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