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z145fergie

06-13-2005 09:50:57




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Have always appreciated working with rope and seeing appropriate knots and ropework applied to the specific need. With all the new fangled rope gadgets and tie-down devices available now, I think some of the younger generation is loosing out on a valuable skill. Used to be that good rope skills were a necessity but maybe not so much so anymore. It's really an art form and I hate to see it dying out. Just lamenting a little....

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dr.sportster

06-14-2005 13:32:43




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 Re: Rope Work in reply to z145fergie, 06-13-2005 09:50:57  
Actually it is still needed to know several knots in most trades.But nobody seems to except the firemen and a few self taught guys who care.I use a bow line about twenty times a day and some dont know what it is Im tying.This is a simple one yet has been called the king of knots.Guys think a square knot does it all but a square knot stresses the rope at a bad angles.Camping stores have a knot card game thats fun and good for kids and me to learn new ones.Its also good to know how to connect two different size ropes.I dont think its dying just becoming self taught.

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wdtom

06-15-2005 18:16:34




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 Re: Rope Work in reply to dr.sportster, 06-14-2005 13:32:43  
If you like the bowline for tying a loop in the end of a rope, well you need to learn the carrick bend, for joining two ropes together. It is a trick to remember, but once you do, you will never have to struggle to untie two ropes tied together, comes apart like a bowline, and is as secure.



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roper6365

06-14-2005 19:39:22




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 Re: Rope Work in reply to dr.sportster, 06-14-2005 13:32:43  
Yep, the good ol'bow line, you can tie one to the back of two tractors and have a pull then untie them in a few seconds..great knot



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Mattlt

06-14-2005 07:37:18




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 Re: Rope Work in reply to z145fergie, 06-13-2005 09:50:57  
I'm the training officer for my fire department. I always make sure to have at least a yearly refresher on knot tying.

We may not use them often, but when you need them, it's pretty darn important to know which knot to use, and how to tie it.



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RJ-AZ

06-13-2005 18:44:52




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 Re: Rope Work in reply to z145fergie, 06-13-2005 09:50:57  
Anyone remember those little book the CO-OP and Grain Elevators gave out that had all the usefull information in them including Ropes and Knots.
I used to study those and practice with a piece of baler twine while spotting truck during grain harvest when I was a kid.



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MarkB_MI

06-13-2005 17:32:01




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 Re: Rope Work in reply to z145fergie, 06-13-2005 09:50:57  
It seems like sailors are the only ones anymore who know anything about knots. And for most of them, their knowledge is limited to the square knot and bowline.



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Glenn F.

06-13-2005 10:22:23




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 Re: Rope Work in reply to z145fergie, 06-13-2005 09:50:57  
Yea it's kind of funny/sad watching people at a Christmas tree lot securing their tree for the ride home. It's amazing the tree ever gets home! Glenn F.



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Ron from IL

06-13-2005 10:01:21




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 Re: Rope Work in reply to z145fergie, 06-13-2005 09:50:57  
fergie,

You're absolutely right! My dad was a Boy Scout master from when I was 4 until I was 8. He showed me all the basic knots (overhand, figure 8, clove and girth hitch, timber hitch, bowline, taught-line hitch, sheepshank, sheet bend) and I continue to use them to this day. They're harder to tie in polypropylene rope, so I use nylon or natural fiber ropes when I can. I find it amazing that people who have supposedly attained the rank of Eagle Scout don't have a clue as to how to tie a viable knot. Some people even seem to think that it's some kind of badge of honor to NOT know how to tie anything other than a granny knot (or a whole bunch of them on top of one another). You sure pushed one of my hot buttons!

Ron

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Ron from IL

06-14-2005 07:05:52




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 Re: Rope Work in reply to Ron from IL, 06-13-2005 10:01:21  
Oops! Forgot two of the most important--square knot and two half hitches.

Ron



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ShepFL

06-13-2005 11:05:25




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 Re: Rope Work in reply to Ron from IL, 06-13-2005 10:01:21  
As a current Scoutmaster I could not agree more!!

It is frustrating at times to teach these kids knots. It is more frustrating to watch some folks, especially city kitty Moms & Dads tell the kiddies no need to learn knot tying as your tent has elastic bands.

To reinforce knotting every yr. at our local county fair booth my troop builds a knot tying board. We use cloth clothes line in 2' hanks as recruiting aids for the younger kids by teaching them some basic knots.

This summer we hope to build a rope bridge and next yr. a floating flag pole stand.

I have a 1957 BSA Handbook that I tend to use frequently as a guideline for my troop. It is amazing to see how far we have moved away from rural efforts and manual labor in such a short time. I combine use of both the old and new offer my troop a balanced program.

While still on my soapbox -
What is even more dispicable is the lack of reverence and respect many have towards our nation's flag.

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DiggerLarry

06-16-2005 10:47:28




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 Re: Rope Work in reply to ShepFL, 06-13-2005 11:05:25  
I agree 200%. BSA was one of the best character building experiences I ever went through and I learned that respect for the flag there. I had to put a tattered one to rest about a month ago and worried I didn't remember the proper method. That's how much of an influence it had on me. It is sad that kids have become so "city-fied". Seems that some of them don't respect anything, including their parents.

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LumbrJakMan

06-13-2005 14:56:10




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 Re: Rope Work in reply to ShepFL, 06-13-2005 11:05:25  
The Kids today just say ..... Cant Tie a KNOT , Tie A LOT !! " I often admire someones knot and comment that I havent seen " THAT " knot in a while , and then when they ask what Kinda Knot it is . I say a "KNIFE" Knot . !!



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MAC,IL

06-13-2005 12:01:21




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 Re: Rope Work in reply to ShepFL, 06-13-2005 11:05:25  
Thanks for posting that web site Shep, thats interesting. Always like to learn a few more rope knots.



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Dickie Vaughan

06-13-2005 15:34:19




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 Re: Rope Work in reply to MAC,IL, 06-13-2005 12:01:21  
Here is another knot site:
http://www.42brghtn.mistral.co.uk/knots/42ktmenu.html



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