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youngster

06-12-2005 18:11:22

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Hey I was wondering what i should do. A fellow that i know has some wlanut he would like me to use to make him some hand crafted plaques for his turkey beards. however the walnut needs planned and i dont have a planner of my own or one that i can use so i think that i need to buy one but i hate to buy one then only use it on that project. So my question is what should i do? should i go to homedepot and buy a 350 ryobi one or should i try to find a used one ( it could need new cutter knives ) should i spring for a good planner from a catalog or could i just get away with an orbital sander and a lot of sanding discs?? keep in mind that im trying to save up to get myself to tech school and back startign june 28 through october of 2006. so the cheapest way would be the best idea

thanks in advance

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PaulW_NJ

06-14-2005 20:15:03

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Re: planer in reply to youngster, 06-12-2005 18:11:22

Correct me if I"m wrong, but first of all it sounds like you"re talking a less than 3 board feet, not many times more than that. Is the reason you wish to plane the boards to reduce their thickness, or produce a consistent surface to rough sawn material? Or are you simply looking to clean up the surface? If it"s just to clean up a surface that was once planed smooth, a cabinet scraper ($10)is the simplest, cheapest, and will provide a superior surface to any kind of sanding. If your looking to surface a rough sawn board, there"s a neat device called a Wagner Safe-T-Planer ($25?)that you thread onto the drive end of a radial arm saw that will plane a 3 inch wide strip - you just make successive cuts. If you"re talking a board 6 inches wide or less, you can do a decent rough planing running the board on end through a table saw with a good sharp blade. Make one pass, that turn it over and do the other side. In both cases, clean up the surface afterwards with a cabinet scraper. Scrapers are great - the trick is forming a good cutting "hook" on the edges.

It doesn"t make sense to me to buy a used planer if you have no further immediate use. Unless it"s set up well, you may have to sharpen, replace, and then align the blades. That"s alot of time for a very short term project.

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youngster

06-14-2005 20:40:00

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Re: planer in reply to PaulW_NJ, 06-14-2005 20:15:03

See im not really sure at all how i should do this. the lumber is all rough sawn so its nothing too pretty. im looking for all intents and purposes to make it look like a finish board. the lumber im going to be using is about 12 inches wide so wuld the radial arm saw trick work or not plus the problem of not having a radial arm saw or having easy axcess to one. so my question again is how do i make these boards look good?? i dont care if the thickness is a certain size i just want a nice finish surface. i have a couple block planes to deal with any high spots if im going to do it all by hand.

I guess the real question now is should i even try to do it by hand or will i mess it up beyond any means of being able to use it on the project. if i cant find a good solution on how to do this i just wont take on the project.

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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

06-15-2005 19:41:05

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Re: planer in reply to youngster, 06-14-2005 20:40:00

The block plane is all you need. It will take you less than an hour. Spend thirty minutes sharpening the blade of the plane* until you can shave the hair off your arm with it. Next fasten the board down firmly to a strong table or bench. Finally, plane the thing, working with the grain, never down into it, as in planing towards a knot. Walnut is an excellent wood to work with hand tools.

*I like a fine grit in my belt sander for sharpening plane blades. Turn the sander over on its back and sharpen by holding the blade perpendicular to the belt and at a much shallower angle than you would use for a chisel. It will get quite sharp, quickly. Then touch the blade up on the finest sharpening stone you can find. Use oil or water to keep the stone unclogged.

You will soon discover that you have "woodworker's mange" with clumps of hair missing from your left forearm.

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PaulW_NJ

06-15-2005 19:19:18

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Re: planer in reply to youngster, 06-14-2005 20:40:00

OK, now I understand better what you"re trying to do. You"re right, none of the things I mentioned will work for 12 inch wide boards. I think the first thing I would do is look in the phone book, and start calling around to lumberyards and woodwork shops and see if any of them would surface plane them for you, and how much they would charge. Are there any vocational tech schools nearby, or colleges with wood shops? You could put an ad in the paper saying you want some boards planed. I"ll bet you can find someone willing to do it at a reasonable price if you look hard enough.

Unless you are realy skilled at hand planing (which I am not) I wouldn"t try doing it that way. Besides, I think you would need serious planes (15 inches long at least). You might also call your shop teacher and see if he does any moonlighting, or knows someone who would do it for you. I still don"t think I would invest $350 in a planer for just one job. I"d rather put it toward other tools, like a table saw.

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A-Farmer(not)

06-13-2005 23:59:35

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Re: planer in reply to youngster, 06-12-2005 18:11:22

A plaque for turkey beards can't be that big,just cut and sand with anythang you got.

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youngster

06-14-2005 17:26:09

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Re: planer in reply to A-Farmer(not), 06-13-2005 23:59:35

it aint just one its a series of like a dozen that are the outlines of several different states. And im hoping that if he approves of them then i can make a few more and get them included in the local nwtf ( national wild turkey federation) banquet silent auction and then hopefully be able to have ppl contact me to make them specialty plaques. so its not just s brush off project it could me a lot of dough in the long run.

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Robert in W. Mi.

06-13-2005 17:52:00

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Re: planer in reply to youngster, 06-12-2005 18:11:22

Call a few lumber yards and/or cabinet shops in your area, one or more of them will quote you a price to plane it all for you, or even run it through there wide belt sander.

I do it for people once in a while when i have time, and so do some of the lumber yards around here.

Robert

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youngster

06-13-2005 20:10:58

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Re: planer in reply to Robert in W. Mi., 06-13-2005 17:52:00

Thanks for all the suggestions guys i guess if i woulda thought about it before and had the time i could have taken into shop at school and did it up real quick but it didnt cross my mind. The problem i have with takin the wood somewhere is id rather if im going to spend money id rather buy a tool and do it myself like going and buying a belt sander and doin it up that way. i guess i failed to mention that i jsut graduated highschool and well dont have many tools and im trying to build up my tool supply while doing jobs for ppl. fortunetly for me my grandfather has a scroll saw and a bandsaw i can use and my dad has the table saw and palm sander. im pretty much up the creek without a floatie...thanks again

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Robert in W. Mi.

06-14-2005 18:08:19

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Re: planer in reply to youngster, 06-13-2005 20:10:58

Your going to have one heck of a time trying to "thickness plane" with a belt sander!!!! Big problem is, the sander will sand deeper in the soft spots of the wood and leave high spots where it harder. Also belt sanders were never designed for this job, so don't expect one to last too long. Also, you will go through LOT'S of belts.

Save your self some misery, and take it someplace and have it planed!!

Robert

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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

06-13-2005 05:05:40

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Re: planer in reply to youngster, 06-12-2005 18:11:22

Walnut is a very good wood to plane by hand.

If you want to get someone to machine it for you, show up at the shop with the wood with you for inspection: make sure it has never touched the gravel of a driveway or shop floor, has no bird droppings on it, and, of course, that it has never been nailed or screwed. Don't even think of getting someone to plane old lumber.

Of course it's hard to go wrong on the purchase of a used, 15" planer.

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JeffE

06-13-2005 04:54:51

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Re: planer in reply to youngster, 06-12-2005 18:11:22

You can "plane" the wood using a router - build a box frame around the wood and mount the router on board that slides along the top of the frame - route what you can, lower the bit and go again - slower than a planer but works well.
Good luck.

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MarkB_MI

06-13-2005 04:07:00

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Re: planer in reply to youngster, 06-12-2005 18:11:22

You should be able to find someone willing to plane your wood. Do you know the local high school wood shop teacher. (Do they still teach wood shop?!) I had some wood planed at the hobby shop on a nearby military base, I just needed to know a service member.

If you can't find someone to plane your wood, I'd go out and buy a decent hand plane. You'll probably need to hone the iron on a good stone. A good plane will last you a lifetime.

You will not get a flat surface with an orbital sander, and you'll spend a fortune on sandpaper.

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naz

06-13-2005 03:44:36

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Re: planer in reply to youngster, 06-12-2005 18:11:22

I have used a belt sander to finish rough lumber with course grit to start,depends on what your finished thickness is and how much you need to remove? Works in a pinch!!!

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youngster

06-14-2005 20:42:21

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Re: planer in reply to naz, 06-13-2005 03:44:36

All im looking to do is make the lumber look nice i dont give a rats behind about thickness. so my question now is what kinda belt sander do you use?

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naz

06-16-2005 07:45:56

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Re: planer in reply to youngster, 06-14-2005 20:42:21

Younster,
I have worked for a caskit company and built boxes from start to finish,hardwood..ash and oak.There were times when our old 80+ year old planer would do a poor job in spots and I cleanded them up with a BELT SANDER.If your careful,don't round over the sides and keep it moving flat you can remove alot of wood with a course grit belt,then go to a finer grit..I sanded many feet of wood with one belt,make sure it runs strate,doesn't tear.I think if you were using wood more than twice as wide as your belt it would be harder to keep even.We had a makita,I beleive 4 inch wide belt.Not sure of other brands but this was a good sander,also made some butcher blocks from scrap hardwood and finished with belt sander.One more tool for a collection,in time get a planer.Hope this helps,
Naz

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Jim Broughton

06-12-2005 20:18:42

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Re: planer in reply to youngster, 06-12-2005 18:11:22

Youngster; Check your local senior services center, I know ours here in Oregon has a complete woodworking shop, and they would custom plane for a small hourly fee.
Checkit out in your area. Lotsaluck!!....Jim

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Steve/TN

06-12-2005 19:52:06

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Re: planer in reply to youngster, 06-12-2005 18:11:22

Do those rental places rent planers?

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farmermatt

06-12-2005 19:40:47

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Re: planer in reply to youngster, 06-12-2005 18:11:22

Not that Im a purest or anything but a good sharp plane works well if you dont have too many to make. Then start watching auctions for good used rockwells, powermatic, belsaw, etc. Can be found reasonably is youre patient.

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Ralph, Ohio

06-12-2005 18:45:07

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Re: planer in reply to youngster, 06-12-2005 18:11:22

Would it be possible to find another friendly woodworker in your neighborhood or even a commercial woodshop or vocational school and pay them to plane the wood for this project? This would be a whole lot less money than buying a planer. In my area of Ohio there are lots of Amish woodshops that could do this for you.

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Leroy

06-12-2005 19:21:28

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Re: planer in reply to Ralph, Ohio, 06-12-2005 18:45:07

Ralph, are you from holmes county? From Auglaize co.

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Ralph - Ohio

06-13-2005 03:49:18

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Re: planer in reply to Leroy, 06-12-2005 19:21:28

Close, I'm in Wayne County, just north of Holmes County. Contrary to what most people think this is the biggest Amish settlement in the U.S., even bigger than Lancaster County, PA.

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