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Welders Linclon vs Hobart New vs Used

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OCB

01-12-2001 19:12:44




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I'm looking for a AC/DC welder and find the used ones sell for a lot but some of the previous post my explain that being the Alum vs the Copper winding. Is there a good way to tell which when looking at a used machine?
Typically the Linclon AC/DC is 225/125 max while Hobart has newer machine AC/DC 235/150 Max. Has anyone welded with both?
Dad's old old AC Linclon welder (now 50 years +)would weld at lower amps than Forneys which were popular then. Are newer welders similiar in performance?

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bill

01-16-2001 21:03:42




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 Re: Welders Linclon vs Hobart New vs Used in reply to OCB, 01-12-2001 19:12:44  
I recently purchased a lincoln 225 ac/dc welder. I added 30 ft. of leads to it and am totally satisfied. I chose the lincoln over the miller because of the shunt style amp selection in the miller. While looking at one on the show floor, I noticed that it was somewhat cheap feeling and felt that going back to the same settings would be difficult and tuff to read, as the scale is very small and the pointer flimsy. Miller makes good products though, probably the choice is 6 of one and half adozen of the other. Good luck on your choice. Home depot has the lincoln on sale for about $380.00.

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Steve U.S. Alloys

01-13-2001 09:39:15




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 Re: Welders Linclon vs Hobart New vs Used in reply to OCB, 01-12-2001 19:12:44  
Al windings have been used for about 25 years now as I remember. We are talking about some fairly old equipment when we speak of Cu windings. Used machines sell for more than some might expect because they are always in demand. So are torch outfits. You may see someone pay a new price for a used unit in either case.

Some people say, and I subscribe to this, that "Older welding machines produce smoother arc characteristics." I guess if you never owned one you won't miss it.

Miller, Powcon, and Hobart are all owned by ITW now. Also, Lincoln has acquired ESAB.

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Steve

01-12-2001 20:01:41




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 Re: Welders Linclon vs Hobart New vs Used in reply to OCB, 01-12-2001 19:12:44  
I have a fairly new lincoln AC buzz box. It probally has the alum windings on the secondary transformer. Welds very nice beads when using a forney 6013 rod. Thats about all I use now when welding on tube and angle iron and sheet metal. I gave my father-in-law a nice miller thunder bolt that is a AC/DC welder and works great on DC but having the polarities right does make a differece. Miller and Hobart I think are the same machines. Hope I helped Steve

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Larry....Hey STEVE US ALLOYS

01-13-2001 18:19:49




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 Re: Re: Welders Linclon vs Hobart New vs Used in reply to Steve, 01-12-2001 20:01:41  
Would you please tell me...if you have a miller ac/dc small welder.....what the right way to hook the leads up for direct polarity, and reverse, and what one should use for what. Thanks...



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Steve U.S. Alloys

01-14-2001 09:38:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Welders Linclon vs Hobart New vs Used in reply to Larry....Hey STEVE US ALLOYS, 01-13-2001 18:19:49  
Hi Larry,
I'd be more than happy to.

If you associate the abbreviations for the different polarity settings with the actual connections it may be of help to you.

DC reverse or DC+ as it is called is also referred to as DCEP. (DC electrode positive)

DC straight or DC- is referred to as DCEN. (DC electrode negative)

When distinguishing between the two polarity settings this is what you must bear in mind. With DC+ settings, the heat generated by the arc is divided in the following way between the electrode and the work. A full 2/3rds of the heat is in the electrode and 1/3rd in the work.

DC- results in exactly the opposite effect. You will place 1/3rd of the heat in the electrode and 2/3rds in the work.

On AC polarity, the heat generated is equally divided. A full 1/2 of the heat is placed in the electrode and 1/2 in the work.

It helped me to remember the correct placement of the welding cables in their respective configurations by thinking of their arrangements in terms of the DCEP and DCEN descriptions. I hope it will do the same for you.

Someone else may have a better idea that will work for you. I tell people that I'm not smart enough to keep things truly simple. If I had invented the wheel, it wouldn't be just round and roll. It would have at least 30 moving parts.
Steve

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