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air compressors: time to buy, but what one

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farmweld

06-10-2005 08:25:41




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the time has come to make up my mind on what compressor to buy. i do know i want 15-20 CFM, but what brand, oil lube or oiless price no more than about 600 (hopefully, allthough i do know that with tools, you get what you pay for). im sure there are other factors, so post them and ill try to answer.
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farmweld

06-11-2005 07:22:34




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 Re: air compressors: time to buy, but what one in reply to farmweld, 06-10-2005 08:25:41  
well here goes. i will be using it for heavy duty home use. electrical is no problem, i can do that. i am really not pressed for time (thinking for christmas) so ill check out everything suggested. thanx a bunch
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XXX

06-10-2005 22:06:33




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 Re: air compressors: time to buy, but what one in reply to farmweld, 06-10-2005 08:25:41  
You don't say if this is for a business or for home. If for a business, Champion, DeVair, Quincy, Curtis Masterline, Gardner Denver (Champion) and Ingersoll Rand are all very good compressors. You will need a REAL 5hp compressor to get 15-20 cfm, NOT a "6.5 hp" Coleman jobby or the like. That will probably be about a 30amp pull on single stage 220V, so I doubt that you will run that at home without some wiring.

DevAir also makes a slightly cheaper line of compressors that use the same Taiwanese pumps that Eaton Compressor are using. They should do ok for home use.

I don't know what prices are like in the US, but I doubt you will get anywhere near 20CFM for $600, unless you pick up a used commercial unit.

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Gene Davis (Ga.)

06-10-2005 19:08:01




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 Re: air compressors: time to buy, but what one in reply to farmweld, 06-10-2005 08:25:41  
Buying an air compressor can be quite frustrating. you need to find out the air cubic feet per minute and also the pressure requirenments of all the things you plan to do with it and you can then make a decision on how much capacity you need. Then you need to factor in about 30% for reserve and future increases. The oil-less compressors are fine for a very small demand if you don't mind all their noise. They are very limited in their use for most cases. there are lots of choices in the other fields of compressors. The majority of the other types in use for home and hobby use probably are the piston type compressors. There are single stage compressors which have one or more large sized cylinders and are usually limited to about 110-120 psi of pressure, but have good recovery rates for a reasonable price. Then if you need higher pressure you can go to the 2 stage type of compressor which will have a large diameter piston on the first stage and a smaller diameter high pressure cylinder. these usually are found when the demand is for higher pressure air.The CFM rate on these compressors is usually good in the higher price range. If money is not a big problem, the screw or rotary compressors are relatively quite and give wonderful volume and good pressure. These are mostly found in industrial use. There are often good used compressors available for a decent price. You should get as big as you could afford, because when you get one you will need more capacity each time you use it. I have a 1938 model Curtis that is a 2 stage and it still does a good job with a vey little maintence required.

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rustyj14

06-10-2005 17:20:37




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 Re: air compressors: time to buy, but what one in reply to farmweld, 06-10-2005 08:25:41  
When buying an air compressor, remember this--most compressors will pump up to at least 125 lbs pressure or so. but, the secret is not how high it will pump--its the "cubic feet per minute" that is the secret! CFM will allow you to use a spray gun for most jobs, or an air operated torque wrench, or an air grinder, without running out of air, or having to wait for the air compressor to catch up! One correspondent on this forum was going to buy one of those "pancake' compressors, to paint his pickup! I suppose he finally got it done, not quickly, and maybe some "runs" in the vertical panels, and maybe he had to take lots of time out for sleep, etc., while waiting for the compressor to have enough air pressure to keep on painting! Sure, the pancakes have quick recovery, but--- by: Rustyj

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kraigwy

06-10-2005 14:18:42




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 Re: air compressors: time to buy, but what one in reply to farmweld, 06-10-2005 08:25:41  
As big as you can afford. I have two a 6.5 HP 60 gal tank and a 5 horse portable with 15 gal tank to take on site.



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MAC,IL

06-10-2005 13:08:26




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 Re: air compressors: time to buy, but what one in reply to farmweld, 06-10-2005 08:25:41  
If you are not really pressed, take a little time and look over as many as you can. Keep an eye out for some sales. But stay away from the oil less jobbies.



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farmweld

06-10-2005 11:50:20




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 Re: air compressors: time to buy, but what one in reply to farmweld, 06-10-2005 08:25:41  
i guess it is a little more than i was hopin, but the CFM is about right, an cant beat the continuious duty, and looooo oooong life. check it out



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06-10-2005 20:58:39




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 Re: air compressors: time to buy, but what one in reply to farmweld, 06-10-2005 11:50:20  
Here's my $.02 worth: IR's are good but, Rol-Aire & Champion compressors are the true Cadillacs in my opinion. If you want a compressor your grandkids will put in their shop, those are the ones to get. The problem with IR is that they have now come out with the "home owner" line-up (tan tanks) which is basically a Devilbis (sp?) pump with a cheap motor. People see the IR name and think it's just as good as the ol' T30 series, but it's not. It all depends on how much you plan on using your compressor....if you're planning on a few times/weekend, you'll be fine.

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Charles (in GA)

06-10-2005 20:30:14




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 Re: air compressors: time to buy, but what one in reply to farmweld, 06-10-2005 11:50:20  
I consider the 80 gal two stage, 5 running horse unit like the IR you linked to, a bare minimum for a shop. I bought a 7.5 horse made by Cambell-Hausfeld, IR makes a similar unit, CFM's around 24, you cannot buy too much compressor, and I assure you that you will be happy with the 7.5 horse if you think the 5 horse is OK.

Don't waste your time with single stage, and don't touch a dry pump unit (too noisy and hot, don't last long either)

You put a big regulator on the two stage and cut it back to 100 psi and you can run almost anything. DA sanders use LOTS of air, just blowing off parts consumes alot. The 5 horse is min to run a decent blast cabinet, the 7.5 is much better.

Buy all you can reasonably afford.

Don't forget to budget for a dedicated 40 amp circuit for it, with a disconnect at the compressor.

Charles

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farmweld

06-11-2005 07:24:24




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 Re: air compressors: time to buy, but what one in reply to Charles (in GA), 06-10-2005 20:30:14  
how much was the CH unit you got?
thanx farmweld



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Charles (in GA)

06-11-2005 14:03:03




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 Re: air compressors: time to buy, but what one in reply to farmweld, 06-11-2005 07:24:24  
"how much was the CH unit you got?
thanx
farmweld"

I bought the Husky brand unit from Home Depot, it is in fact, the CH unit with different color paint and labels on it. I'm quite satisified with it, the pump and tank are American made, the motor is made in Mexico. I've had it two years now. It was $1599 plus tax, and has since gone up to $1699. You get it from a local store, don't have to fool with shipping charges, unloading off a semi at your house, etc. If the store doesn't have it, get them to order one in for you.

One other possibility you might mull over is

www.eatoncompressor.com

I discussed this with Rodger P (now XXX) here on this board and it most likely is a good quality Chinese pump that they use.

My local Tractor Supply has the 7.5 horse IR in stock most of the time.

Charles

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Brian in NY

06-10-2005 12:29:07




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 Re: air compressors: time to buy, but what one in reply to farmweld, 06-10-2005 11:50:20  
is it just me or are those specs for a different unit?



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Brian in NY

06-10-2005 08:30:37




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 Re: air compressors: time to buy, but what one in reply to farmweld, 06-10-2005 08:25:41  
If you are going to use the compressor for any serious work or any length of time, Get an oil lubed unit with belt driven pump. These are just heavier duty units, easier to repair.

I like the farmhand units at tractor supply, seem well made and fairly priced. I would get a vertical unit as there is less area for water to pool in and thus is easier to drain completly. They also take up less floor space.

One other hint...spend a little more for more air power than you need. You will appreciate not having to wait for the unit to catch up to you.

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Jay87T

06-10-2005 09:43:11




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 Re: air compressors: time to buy, but what one in reply to Brian in NY, 06-10-2005 08:30:37  
2 STAGE RULES!!!
I love having up to 175psi when I need it to crack some stubourn bolts.



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Charles (in GA)

06-11-2005 14:08:56




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 Re: air compressors: time to buy, but what one in reply to Jay87T, 06-10-2005 09:43:11  
"I love having up to 175psi when I need it to crack some stubourn bolts."

Yes, until the hugely overstressed impact blows up in yours hands someday. Those tools are not designed for pressures over 90 to 100 psi.

Get a decent impact, an IR titanimum, or go up to a 3/4 drive, to get the torque you need.

Charles



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Big Jim

06-13-2005 23:59:00




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 Re: air compressors: time to buy, but what one in reply to Charles (in GA), 06-11-2005 14:08:56  
Well, I"ve got a 1 inch that I run with my 2-stage. I"ve never had an impact come apart in my hands. I have seen a couple where the guts broke and they just didn"t hit anymore. In most shop environments, you"ll never see the full pressure at the gun when it is running anyway.

I think Eaton has already been mentioned but here"s a link:
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I think my old Binks may last forever but,if it should die, I"d look hard at Eaton. It looks like they offer a lot for the money.

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