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TimWafer

06-09-2005 17:13:01




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Today someone offered me about 250 gallons of fuel oil and a nice tank just for removing them. Problem is it will be no easy task since the tank is in the basement of a flower shop with no outside access to the basement. That means the tank will have to come out through the flower shop up a very narrow stairway and narrow aisle. It will fit but barely. Still with the price of fuel oil and diesel I hate to turn it down.
First I need to pump it out. It is disconnected from everything and the fill and vent pipes were even removed. That means I have to run a hose again up the stairs and through the flower shop to the nearest door I can get near with another tank to pump it into. This will be at least 75� of hose with a rise of 15 to 18 feet.
I�m trying to figure what I could use to pump it with. I have a hand crank fuel pump (currently set up of course) I was thinking of trying if I can get it freed up. Drill pumps aren�t recommended although I have used them on occasion to pump diesel, but I think they would be unbelievably slow if it worked at all at this distance and lift. Anyone got any other ideas for a cheap way to do this. It would take 50 5-gallon cans to do it.
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Tim

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BUDD

06-12-2005 13:06:13




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 Re: OT Fuel transfer in reply to TimWafer, 06-09-2005 17:13:01  
Tim; What Johnbob said will work fine. I have in the past used this system trough a 55 drum to prim irragation pumps. We used a 1/2" hose from the power brake booster and it work great. I was amazed just how much power this system has. We colapest a 55 drum with this method.

BUDD



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Mattlt

06-10-2005 06:00:07




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 Re: OT Fuel transfer in reply to TimWafer, 06-09-2005 17:13:01  
I'm thinking out loud here, but would a Venturi-type injector, powered by air work?

I'm familiar with water driven Venturi's, say to inject foam / soap into a water stream. Not sure about using a stream of air? Might be interesting to try.



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JMS/MN

06-09-2005 23:07:35




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 Re: OT Fuel transfer in reply to TimWafer, 06-09-2005 17:13:01  
Everyone else talks about pumping it out-have you thought about blowing it out, with air pressure? Shop compressor, right fittings, line to another tank?



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Gary in Colorado

06-09-2005 21:27:27




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 Re: OT Fuel transfer in reply to TimWafer, 06-09-2005 17:13:01  
Is this tank strong enough to hold a few pounds of air pressure? Be careful!



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NC Wayne

06-09-2005 21:12:57




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 Re: OT Fuel transfer in reply to TimWafer, 06-09-2005 17:13:01  
If your interested in having the pump to use again in the future anyway, Northern Tool is carrying several different 12V pumps that are rated for fuel transfer applications. They are basically designed like you'd see a snow plow hydraulic pump, or something along those lines with a small pump close coupled to a electric motor. If I remember right the last time I looked you can get one for about $100 +/-.

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shannon from ohio

06-09-2005 20:38:14




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 Re: OT Fuel transfer in reply to TimWafer, 06-09-2005 17:13:01  
This may sound crazy,But an old Myers shallow well pump will do the job,The pump part is usually separate from the motor and the chances of any fire is minimum or none especially on fuel oil.Good luck.....



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Leland

06-09-2005 19:29:33




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 Re: OT Fuel transfer in reply to TimWafer, 06-09-2005 17:13:01  
Rent a diafram pump or a vacaum pump this way you can pull all fuel up and get every last drop and not have to mess with draining hoses.



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msb

06-09-2005 19:06:46




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 Re: OT Fuel transfer in reply to TimWafer, 06-09-2005 17:13:01  
You might want to check the local tool rental store.They probably have a pump that will be the ticket.Make sure to ground everything first.



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tinyy

06-09-2005 17:29:50




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 Re: OT Fuel transfer in reply to TimWafer, 06-09-2005 17:13:01  
Just got the same thing from my brother his fill tube was still there went up about 8ft. with a small transfer pump[12volt] and a garden hose toke five 55 gallon drums. If the fill tube hole is still there use that opening to run the hose thru.
OR you could fill the five gallon cans and dump them into a 55 gal. drum would only need to 5 gallon cans that way.



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TimWafer

06-09-2005 18:11:02




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 Re: OT Fuel transfer in reply to tinyy, 06-09-2005 17:29:50  
I looked all over for a hole through the wall where the pipes went. It appears that they went up through the floor and then out through the wall and have since been covered over. The oil has been there for a year or so since a remodel and gas furnace installation. Apparently no one gave any thought about how to remove it at the time. I have a tank big enough to hold all 250 gallons that I can load on my truck and remove with a forklift at home. I just figured pumping the fuel into it would be the quickest and easiest way. I don�t have and haven�t run across anyone with an electric pump that would fit the bill as yet. Wouldn�t mind owning such an item since I have had need of one in the past also. I guess I could haul it out in 5-gallon cans and dump in the tank but don�t like the thought of dribbling fuel oil through the flower shop for 50 trips! Doubt the owners would either.
Tim

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T_Bone

06-09-2005 18:35:41




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 Re: OT Fuel transfer in reply to TimWafer, 06-09-2005 18:11:02  
Hi Tim,

I use a 12v SurFlo RV water pump for pumping my diesel. Just make sure you get the pump with Vitron seals, about $55 at Camping World. FloJet also makes a simular pump. About 2.5gpm with a lawn & garden battery.

T_Bone



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Jay (ND)

06-09-2005 19:59:33




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 Re: OT Fuel transfer in reply to T_Bone, 06-09-2005 18:35:41  
TBone is right on target here - I routinely use Wayne water pumps for this. I know many that also do.

Don't over complicate this.

I do highly recommend rinsing out the wifes garden hoses with soapy water then clear water for a fair amount of time afterwards.



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Johnbob

06-10-2005 14:51:46




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 Re: OT Fuel transfer in reply to Jay (ND), 06-09-2005 19:59:33  
If you have a good tank.Use about 5/16 vac line from the truck engine intake manifold to tank on truck.Then run 3/4 to 1" line from basement tank to tank on truck.Be careful that you don't suck the truck flat.



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