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jeff Passmore

06-06-2005 16:17:06




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Have a line on a Binks air compressor. circa 1962. I believe it has a Quincy pressure lube pump and a huge single phase 220 motor.

Don"t know much about compressors and was wondering what to look for in terms of how this unit starts and runs.

I thought I would see how long it takes to pump up, keeping my eye on the oil presure gage. Also, I know old tanks are suspect. Is there anything else you would suggest.

Don"t have any serial numbers present, will get them and check out parts.

Thanks for any help.

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Rich P

06-08-2005 18:16:56




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 Re: Roger P compressor question in reply to jeff Passmore, 06-06-2005 16:17:06  
I recently picked up a Binks gas engine driven compressor. It too has a Quincy pump that runs 15 psi of oil pressure. I don't know the year but it's powered with an big B&S single cylinder engine that is rope start. You screw out an unloader valve when starting. Puts out some serious air.

It's a portable unit with a removable t-bar handle on one end and wheels on the other. Small tank. I keep in fromt of garage so I can pull it a couple feet out when I need it. I ran a die grinder two weeks ago for about 10 minutes straight and it wasn't even breathing hard. Got it for $300. I'll be using it soon to power a blast cabinet.

Rich P

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jeff passmore

06-09-2005 04:28:29




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 Re: Roger P compressor question in reply to Rich P, 06-08-2005 18:16:56  
Sounds nice, I have been looking at compressors for some time before finding this Binks. I have noticed gas powered units have far more CFM then do electric.

Quincy's are nice but $$$. That is why I am looking at used.



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XXX

06-06-2005 18:48:54




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 Re: Roger P compressor question in reply to jeff Passmore, 06-06-2005 16:17:06  
Roger here, my name has been reserved..

Anyway, just make sure there is an oil pressure gauge on it and that it comes up to pressure almost immediately. Anything 15psi to 30psi is fine for oil pressure. Generally, listen for knocks, air hissing or funny vibration. When it shuts down, listen for a short blast of air that is telling you it is unloading properly. Depending on the motor type, it may coast down quietly, or it might make a loud "graunching" sound and bring the pump to a quick stop. These motors, at least as they have been described to me, send a jolt from the capacitors into the windings to stop the rotor from spinning. Some people refer to them as "saw motors". I am not sure if either description is accurate, but the sound, and sudden stop may lead you to believe there is something seriusly wrong with the motor, when in fact, it is fine. I still hate them for compressor applications though.

If it is a Quincy, and a two stage pump, see if there is a safety relief valve in the front-top of the cylinder head. If it is there, pull it while the compressor is running. If there is no air escaping, there are low pressure valve problems. If the valve is missing and the port is plugged, suspect that there may be high pressure valve problems. If you can, bring a 50 or 60 psi air gauge with you, mounted on a 4" long or so 1/4" pipe nipple and screw it into the port and see what pressure you are getting there. Look for bewteen 15 to 30 psi. This is just a rule of thumb. Higher interstage pressure is probably ok, as long as it is below the pop-off pressure of the safety valve. Other than that, it's just listen for knocks and look for oil leaks. unless it's well and truly knackered, it's probably worth getting if the price isn't too steep. I wouldn't spend too much on anything I couldn't completely strip down first. Having said that, I have been pretty lucky with the look and listen technique when buying motorcycles (so far)!

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jeff Passmore

06-07-2005 05:17:09




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 Re: Roger P compressor question in reply to XXX, 06-06-2005 18:48:54  
Thank you Roger.

I will give it a good look over this week and perhaps take some pictures. Right now, the owner is asking 500 which I think is too high. I have a feeling he has been sitting on it for awhile and will come down.

One troubling thing is there is no air cleaner. the cage is there but no element. I can"t think it was run this way. I just think it has been sitting a long time.

If I turn the pump by hand should I feel considerable resistance? Just thinking of other non starting things to check.

Like everyone, I am looking for a big compressor at a small price :)

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