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99 Caravan 3.3L Miss is driving me Coo Coo!

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JL Sargent

05-29-2005 18:24:45




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My wife walks in the house and says "hey, my van is skipping." With 160K miles and original plugs and wires I know what I"ve got to do. Well if you"ve done the back 3 on one of these you know what a pain in the a** it is. I tryed the remove intake ram method. Anyway got the new plugs in and new wires and now I hear a ticking and it has still has a miss. What should be next on my to do list?




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Bob M

05-30-2005 08:32:48




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 Re: 99 Caravan 3.3L Miss is driving me Coo Coo! in reply to JL Sargent, 05-29-2005 18:24:45  
I had the same problem with my wife"s Voyager 3.3L at about the same mileage. And it got WORSE after changing the plugs and plug wires.

Turned out one of the new plugs wires was bad right out of the package. (Of course it was the one in the back row on the passenger"s side...)

Try disconnecting the plug wires one at a time at the coil pack until you find the offending cylinder. Then substitute a different wire on the misfiring cylinder and see if the problem goes away.

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Vern-MI

05-30-2005 03:28:25




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 Re: 99 Caravan 3.3L Miss is driving me Coo Coo! in reply to JL Sargent, 05-29-2005 18:24:45  
Is the check engine light coming on? Occasionally the crank position sensors can become weak and cause an intermittent misfire. Usually the auto parts supply stores will use their equipment in the parking lot and check to see if there are any DTC's on you vehicle. It is a lot cheaper than buying the $300 code reader.

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rockyhawaii

05-30-2005 16:59:03




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 Re: 99 Caravan 3.3L Miss is driving me Coo Coo! in reply to Vern-MI, 05-30-2005 03:28:25  
Mine is a 94. To get the trouble code, you on/off the key three times and the code blinks on your dash.



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rockyhawaii

05-29-2005 23:05:08




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 Re: 99 Caravan 3.3L Miss is driving me Coo Coo! in reply to JL Sargent, 05-29-2005 18:24:45  
My bad, I see you changed the wires already.Sorry. Just curious, when did you last change the timing belt?



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rockyhawaii

05-29-2005 23:02:11




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 Re: 99 Caravan 3.3L Miss is driving me Coo Coo! in reply to JL Sargent, 05-29-2005 18:24:45  
try looking at the running engine in the dark, and even jiggle the wires. The coil towers will tend to leak sometimes, as will the plug wires. Better still, changes the plug wires altogether. There's a lot of heat in there and it ruins the rubber.



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shannon from ohio

05-29-2005 21:28:26




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 Re: 99 Caravan 3.3L Miss is driving me Coo Coo! in reply to JL Sargent, 05-29-2005 18:24:45  
possible bad fuel injector (common on some of them)..Ticking could be spark leaping from one of the wires



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Fred55

05-29-2005 19:19:28




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 Re: 99 Caravan 3.3L Miss is driving me Coo Coo! in reply to JL Sargent, 05-29-2005 18:24:45  
My friend replaced the 100,000 mile type spark plugs in his car with the regular type and had a miss. Bought the OEM (platinum?) kind and took care of problem. I don't know what you used but apparently they are not interchangeable.



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MAC,IL

05-29-2005 18:43:44




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 Re: 99 Caravan 3.3L Miss is driving me Coo Coo! in reply to JL Sargent, 05-29-2005 18:24:45  
Could that "ticking" be spark jumping someplace?
Dont know what type plug and wires you used, but on these newer auto"s, I found it is best to stick with OEM equip.



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tinyy

05-29-2005 18:30:22




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 Re: 99 Caravan 3.3L Miss is driving me Coo Coo! in reply to JL Sargent, 05-29-2005 18:24:45  
If you used champions that might be the problem.
Put some in mine and three months latter had to change them again.Sounded like it was missing bad.
As for putting the back three plugs in put it up on ramps and come in from the bottom no fighting it.



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Chris Vangel

05-30-2005 08:20:47




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 Re: 99 Caravan 3.3L Miss is driving me Coo Coo! in reply to tinyy, 05-29-2005 18:30:22  
Dodge/Chysler vehicles come with Champion plugs from the factory. There is no problem with them on these vehicles. Minivans with v-6 engines that are '96 and newer came with double platinum plugs.

Onto the problem. You've done the plugs and wires, that's a good start. At the dealership, we only change those plugs from underneith, up the back side of the block. Granted we are on a lift.

If there is a cylinder misfire occurring, the check engine light will be flashing. If it is a past fault, the light will be on solid.

It's also really easy to get the plug boot alongside the plug rather than on the plug on the back side of the engine. It's no fun working blind.

Other sources for a miss are the injector for that cylinder, the ignition coil, the valve train and of course piston/cylinder damage.

The fault code will tell you which cylinder is at fault. If it is one cylinder in particular, ensure that there is good spark to that plug, if there is, make sure you didn't crack the porcelin while installing, it's easy to do on the back side of the block, I've done it.

If plug and wire are ok, try to listen to the injector if you can get to it. Compare it to another injector you can reach. I have a mechanics stethoscope, it has a long rod instead of the doctors flat listening end. You can use a long screw driver instead.

The only tank added injector cleaner I've seen work is called Techron. Buy the large bottle and add it while the tank if very low. The fill up.

I haven't seen to many piston/cylinder failures. I've seen plenty of noisy valvetrains though on these engines.

I have a Dodge Grand Caravan Sport AWD and a Chrysler Concorde. All with Champion plugs.

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JL Sargent

05-31-2005 19:06:38




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 Re: 99 Caravan 3.3L Miss is driving me Coo Coo! in reply to Chris Vangel, 05-30-2005 08:20:47  
Thanks for all the help guys. Chris, tomorrow Ill try the stethoscope trick. I have a Mac electronic version and Ill try that idea next. I hate working on something just to find the thing is no better after 1/2 day with it.



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