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za766

05-29-2005 07:57:50




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My son has a Chevy Cavalier with 4 cylinder engine that has a stripped out spark plug port. The plug will not tighten down and seat itself. Can anyone give me a quick and effective fix to this problem without having to remove the engine or do extensive maintenance to it. Thanks for any help you can lend.




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Harry1

05-31-2005 18:25:50




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 Re: loose spark plug in reply to za766, 05-29-2005 07:57:50  
Summit racing catalog has the kit you need. 1-800-230-3030 to order.



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CRUSADER

05-31-2005 17:56:49




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 Re: loose spark plug in reply to za766, 05-29-2005 07:57:50  
Have you tried tapping it out with a spark plug tap yet? I have successfully done this in the past. You should be able to get a tap from a good tool supplier or a NAPA Auto Parts Store. Hope this is of some help.

Jim



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John Garner

05-30-2005 21:42:40




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 Repairing stripped spark plug hole in reply to za766, 05-29-2005 07:57:50  
za766 --

In my book, the best way to repair a stripped spark plug hole is to install a Time-Sert thread repair insert, but installing Time-Sert inserts takes special tooling that's pricy enough to discourage the occasional user. I'll suggest you take a look at their website just to see what Time-Sert is about.

There are other solid inserts that will work almost as well as a Time-Sert; EZ-Lok is one of the easier ones to use and doesn't need any special tools . . . but you might run into minimum purchase requirements that keep it from making sense economically. Another good solid insert is made by the Emhart Heli-Coil company, and installation kits are generally available from most auto supply stores. These are NOT wound-wire screw thread inserts (what 99.44% of us think of when we hear the name Heli-Coil), but are made from solid stock. I don't remember the name Emhart Heli-Coil uses for these, Restor-A-Thred, Sav-A-Thred, something like that.

Installing any type of thread repair insert will require some machining of the head, and machining means chips. The very best technical solution is to remove the head from the engine, but sometimes other factors make a technical compromise worthwhile. If you do decide to try the repair in situ, work as clean as you possibly can.

You'll want the valves closed and the piston near the top of the cylinder. If you buy the Emhart Heli-Coil Sav-A-Thred kit, follow the directions about how to drill and tap the stripped hole; if you use standard tooling for the EZ-Lok inserts, use good standard drilling and tapping technique. If you have to drill, it would be a good idea to "dub" the drill to minimize drill-grabbing.

Grease-packing or grease coating of the drill and tap is about as good a way to catch and hold chips as any, just be sure to remove the tool and wipe off the chips frequently. Once you've finished machining, vacuum the combustion chamber as best you can with a small-diameter hose taped over the end of the regular hole of your shop vacuum. Or you could poke a blow-off nozzle down into the combustion chamber and try blowing the chips out between the inside of the newly-retapped spark plug hole and the outside of the nozzle. Or both.

The scrub the retapped hole with carb cleaner or laquer thinner before installing the thread repair insert. The EZ-Lok insert is coated with an encapsulated adhesive, I recall that the Sav-A-Thred uses a liquid adhesive. In either case, you should be good to go once the adhesive cures.

John

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Mark - IN.

05-30-2005 20:29:57




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 Re: loose spark plug in reply to za766, 05-29-2005 07:57:50  
Sounds as though you're doing Heli-coil to me, but be careful. You don't want metal down into the cylinder. Typically the head comes off for the kind of work.

I remember once as a kid working in a service station after school, an elderly lady came driving in and says her car was running rough, and was it ever. Popped the hood and was a spark plug danging from its wire. Was a simple screw in and tighten, and sent her on her way, no charge. The most incredible thing was a 60's Pontiac with an inline six with a factory Quadrajet. Never seen anything like it, ran in and checked the AC Delco book, and sure enough, there it was. Was like a '66 or '67 Tempest as I recall. One of a kind.

Good luck, Mark

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dr.sportster

05-30-2005 10:03:48




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 Re: loose spark plug in reply to za766, 05-29-2005 07:57:50  
Ok but eventually it will blast out again;remove the plug coat with red loctite,remove the washer on the plug reinstall.It will last about two months before it blasts out but chances are you will be on the highway when it does.Good luck.Heli-coil or Keen-sert is the proper method.



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thynes

05-30-2005 05:47:44




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 Re: loose spark plug in reply to za766, 05-29-2005 07:57:50  
I had a plug blow out and take the threads with it on my Miata. It has an aluminum head. I put a heli-coil in it and it has lasted for 55,000 miles so far.

The only prolem I had with it was when I changed the plugs the other day. It backed out with the plug. No big deal. I took the coil off the plug, put some Locktite on it then screwed it back in, presto all fixed. Good for another 55,000 miles.

I was worried about getting chips in the cylinder when I installed it. I coated the drill and tap with oil to hold as many chips as possible. I also removed the tap about every 1/2 turn to remove the chips, blew it off, oiled it up and another 1/2 turn, etc.

When the hole was tapped I took a shop vac and taped a small vinyl hose to it and stuck it down the plug hole to suck out any other chips. I really couldn't get an air hose down there as the plug is recessed in the head very deep. However, you should be able to blow in the hole on a Cavalier.

Good luck. Email me if you have any questions.

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MarkB_MI

05-30-2005 05:45:41




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 Re: loose spark plug in reply to za766, 05-29-2005 07:57:50  
There's no question that the head will have to be helicoiled. The only question is whether you want to try it without pulling the head.

You don't say how old the car is. Consider this:

If it's nearly new, you have a lot to lose if you don't get all the chips out.

If the car is old, then you don't have much to lose if you don't get the chips out. On the other hand, it may well be ready for a head gasket and valve job anyway.

What I'm saying is, if it was mine, I'd seriously consider pulling the head to do the repair.

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Ralph - Ohio

05-29-2005 18:37:05




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 Re: loose spark plug in reply to za766, 05-29-2005 07:57:50  
I'm not saying I'd recommend it but I watched an old truck mechanic fix this problem on a friends car in the church parking lot by wrapping a piece of aluminum soda can around the threads of the plug and threading it in. The owner claimed it lasted for a long time!



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Fern(Mi)

05-29-2005 17:21:03




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 Re: loose spark plug in reply to za766, 05-29-2005 07:57:50  
What lucasss & ScottP said plus I have had some clean success greasing the tools (Heli coil Tap) used to collect and hold the chips will making new threads. Grease works for me. Suggest keeping piston near top and suck out the cylinder with necked down vacuum cleaner or shopvac. cleaner.
Fernan



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lucasss

05-29-2005 13:11:07




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 Re: loose spark plug in reply to za766, 05-29-2005 07:57:50  
i have rethreaded for a helicoil by putting a air hose in the tailpipe to blow out chips ,then install helicoil.



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ScottP

05-29-2005 08:19:30




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 Re: loose spark plug in reply to za766, 05-29-2005 07:57:50  
Heli-coil makes a spark plug repair kit. Check at a good parts store.
Scott



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TDK

05-29-2005 20:51:04




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 Re: loose spark plug in reply to ScottP, 05-29-2005 08:19:30  
And make sure you use "anti-seize" lube on the plug threads. Even in the repaired plug hole.



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