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pjw

05-28-2005 02:58:10




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Need some advice. I have a 2003 Chevy with a 5.3 motor and a 3.73 rear end. Book claims 8100 lb with a 1500lb (5th wheel hitch) tow rating. I am considering a Titanium 24E29 5th wheel trailer. The trailer dry weight is 6500 lb with a 1,550 pin weight. Placing some wood blocks in my truck bed we lowered the weight of the trailer down on the blocks. The bed went down about 2 3/4" with the springs still arched up. Salesman claims the truck and the trailer are a match and I would not have any problems pulling. Anyone out there have a similar situation, if so how is everything working out? Should I keep looking for a lighter weight trailer?

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Mike M

05-30-2005 19:44:48




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 Re: 5th wheel in reply to pjw, 05-28-2005 02:58:10  
It sounds like you are within the BOOK ratings,you should be fine. I have been able to run way over BOOK ratings with no problems for occasional use not in the mountains.



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Tony C.

05-29-2005 11:31:19




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 Re: 5th wheel in reply to pjw, 05-28-2005 02:58:10  
Are you saying the truck is rated for a pin weight of 1,500 and the trailer's dry pin weight is 1,550? If you are over on the dry weight you will be way over after adding fuel, water and supplies. Pin wieght is often the limiting factor with 5th wheels, even with 3/4 ton trucks; with a 1/2 ton it is definitely limiting.



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farmall300u

05-28-2005 14:22:57




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 Re: 5th wheel in reply to pjw, 05-28-2005 02:58:10  
Your truck is marginal for the stated trailer under most road conditions. If you do the deal, you should do 4-5 items to prevent damage to your truck:
1. Add the biggest transmission cooler you can if your truck has automatic.
2. I would change the transmission fluid to synthetic.
3. I would change motor oil to synthetic.
4. Change truck tires to C rated tires as a minimum and keep pumped up to the maximum pressure allowed.
5. Install a good trailer brake controller and adjust it to stop the trailer first.
6. Add transmission temperature gage. On long steep hills, transmission temperatures tend to rise quickly.

Good Luck and Safe Driving.

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oldrustycars

05-28-2005 12:01:21




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 Re: 5th wheel in reply to pjw, 05-28-2005 02:58:10  
looks to me like you"re only leaving 1600 pounds for the load. unless you"re hauling ping pong balls that doesnt leave much. you need a bigger truck. of course the salesman thinks its a match...he wants your money.



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MSM

05-28-2005 08:29:12




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 Re: 5th wheel in reply to pjw, 05-28-2005 02:58:10  
I would consider a smaller trailer,or more truck. Time you add the hitch,put the trailer on,add some water,clothes,dishes,and whatever other necessities you want to carry,put two people in the cab,you are going to be real close to the limit of the truck's capacity.Throw in a couple of real steep hills or trip through the mountains,and you may be hunting a transmission shop,especially if it is a half ton pickup.Thats alot of strain on the drivetrain,transmission,and rear end,not to mention that the truck probably has C or D rated tires on it,not really heavy enough for the added weight and heat generated from the load. Does the truck have a towing package(sway bars,extra trans cooler,larger radiator)?Yea, the truck may pull it but for how long,and how safely.

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Pete in Cal

05-28-2005 11:32:51




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 Re: 5th wheel in reply to MSM, 05-28-2005 08:29:12  
I agree with MSM. I tow a 25' fifth wheel with an F250 w/460 which is well under the GAVW for the truck. Everywhere is "up" from here and there are still places that require 2nd gear. Also consider that once in motion the brake systems must be adequate to stop the rig. Most likely, you will soon be dissatisfied with the truck performance. I got the same advice from a trailer lot salesman regarding how my F150 was up to the job and knew the truth before I got the rig home. Good luck, Pete

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big jt

05-28-2005 07:58:12




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 Re: 5th wheel in reply to pjw, 05-28-2005 02:58:10  
Morning PJW

Trailers and what is needed to pull them are discussed quite often here with differed opinions.

Sounds like you are talking about pulling with a 1/2 ton or light duty 3/4 ton pickup. And you are looking at a trailer with tandem axles with dual wheels. Am I right??

If this is the case I wouldn't recomend it. To much trailer for the pickup in my opinion. I pull a tandem axle trailer with single wheels with a full 3/4 ton Ford. Makes a nice combination but I wouldn't want anymore trailer than what I have.

The light duty 3/4 ton's won't have a full floating axle. Way to tell this is take the rear hubcap off. If there is a hub sticking out from the center of the wheel it is a full floating axle. If hub is basically flat it is a light duty.

The main thing you need to consider is the brakes. As you get to heavier pickups the brakes get bigger. Even with trailer brakes your pickup has to be adequitly sized for the job at hand.

IN SUMMARY I would keep looking for a lighter trailer.

PS. just reread your post. If the trailer you are looking at is a camper type I think you will be alright. My comments were for a flatbed which would mean the trailer weight would about be tripled with a load.

HTH

jt

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