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FarmerDave

05-22-2005 18:13:12




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Wilton's got two kinds of vises. At Northern Tool they have a 4" workshop vice for $39 and a 4" tradesman vise for $299. I see the cheaper one has a 25K PSI body and the more expensive has a 60K psi body. Is the expensive one ten times better?




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RickL

05-26-2005 05:30:04




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 Re: Vises in reply to FarmerDave, 05-22-2005 18:13:12  
If you are still looking for a vise I have two or thtree extra good used units that I would part with. Let me know I will get you brands and sizes. I bought the one new and it was on my service truck all time other units were on auctions that couldn't get bid on and auctioneeer used my number.



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FarmerDave

05-24-2005 19:35:02




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 Re: Vises in reply to FarmerDave, 05-22-2005 18:13:12  
Thanks for the info boys. I'll look for a widow looking to unload one.



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wdtom

05-24-2005 17:44:47




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 Re: Vises in reply to FarmerDave, 05-22-2005 18:13:12  
Check out a Ridgid. They have a lifetime guarantee on brakage. Just got one at work, a 5 in., seems to be good. It has a two start thread so it opens and closes fast, less clamping force though. This hasn't been a problem yet, so far I like it. Price is between import and Starrett.



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MAC,IL

05-24-2005 07:34:47




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 Re: Vises in reply to FarmerDave, 05-22-2005 18:13:12  
Shop around if you are not in a big hurry. Good vises are not cheap. I never had but 2, one tiawan and a Reed. No comparison. Sure like the reeds. I'd Look for good used ones.



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Glenn F.

05-24-2005 07:22:16




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 Re: Vises in reply to FarmerDave, 05-22-2005 18:13:12  
Clearly, you get what you pay for in new vices. I too have seen/used cheap vices. They DO NOT hold up. A vice, hammer, and adjustable wrench are the most basic tools of any shop. This is no place to cut corners. Glenn F.



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lucasss

05-23-2005 12:53:26




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 Re: Vises in reply to FarmerDave, 05-22-2005 18:13:12  
i think the cheep vise may be ok for wood working and generally light clamping. if you need to put a pipe on the vise handle and torque it down the better wilton holds up better. daughter gave me a cheep wilton and first time i torqued her down the damn thing broke.another thing , it didnt open when you screwed the thing out ,you had to pull on the jaw to slide open. lucass



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Butch(OH)

05-23-2005 11:59:37




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 Re: Vises in reply to FarmerDave, 05-22-2005 18:13:12  
RE, Starrett vise price. I bought a new 6" Starrett Athol vise 5 years ago and it was $450 and change. I dont enjoy spending mega bucks on tools but I have never seen a cheapo vise that was worth hauling home, been there, tried that.



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Coloken

05-23-2005 07:24:38




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 Re: Vises in reply to FarmerDave, 05-22-2005 18:13:12  
300 dollars for a 4 inch vice? No way can I justify that except to have "bragging rights". Just another example of why Ameriacn made is becomeing a thing of the past. Don't know about the other one, could be junk. I have seen China vices in use for years with no problem. there are good and bad ones. Like others say look for a older used one with a name.



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Joe(TX)

05-23-2005 05:56:41




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 Re: Vises in reply to FarmerDave, 05-22-2005 18:13:12  
They don't say if it is yeild or breaking strength, but 25 ksi is junk iron. Normal A36 structural is 36 ksi yield. If you really use a vise and want it to last, the tradesman is well worth the money. I have broken a lot of the cheap cast vises under light use. The forged ones don't break. The cheap ones will allow you to accumulate enough scrap metal to take to the salvage yard.



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Davis In SC

05-22-2005 19:21:25




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 Re: Vises in reply to FarmerDave, 05-22-2005 18:13:12  
We have a 6 inch Wilton at the shop, the "Good" grade. I think it was around $400.00 It does not impress me..... . If I had it to do over again, I would look for an OLD Columbian, Reed, etc. I think the Starrett vises are still good, but would hate to see the price on them.....



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JL Sargent

05-22-2005 18:59:22




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 Re: Vises in reply to FarmerDave, 05-22-2005 18:13:12  
Look on Ebay. Lots of Wiltons all the time. Older style bullets the best Wiltons. Find a used one there for the right price. I have a 4" tradesman myself.



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joe matt

05-23-2005 16:30:37




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 Re: Vises in reply to JL Sargent, 05-22-2005 18:59:22  
About 6 months ago I went vise shopping and the state of decent vises at a decent price is almost abysmal.Anything under the 200 dollar range is most likely China made regardless of brand.All of Wiltons vises below the Tradesman line (with maybe the exception of the heavy 6" utility vise) are made offshore.Mostly China and a few eastern Europe(Czech Republic I think).The wilton utility vises,Craftsman and columbian appear to be the same no matter what color or price with the difference being the jaw widths differing by 1/2"or so for the same vise.The Wilton 4" vise at Northern Tool ,if it"s the WS4 workshop vise ,it"s a piece of junk.I returned one to Grainger after finding the spindle screw bowed,the counterbore on the front jaw crooked,paint chipping off with rust underneath and the final straw being peeling chrome on the vise handle that cut my finger.Not to mention the flat spots on the diamond pattern jaws don"t grip round metal objects like bolts too well.Last time I looked the 4-1/2" Wilton 1745 Tradesman was 199.00 at Amazon.com with free shipping.Decent prices used to be also at www.mile-x.com and southerntool.com.If you"re a business or can get stuff wholesale,then try www.robertstool.com. for wholesale pricing.I came to the conclusion that if my situation justified it(and it doesn"t),I"d definitely consider paying 200.00 for a Wilton Tradesman and get on with my life if I didn"t have time to scout a deal.You only pay for quality once.Or check out Reed,Yost and Starrett vises,but you"re still looking at 200 plus for U.S. made.What I finally ended up with was one of Wilton"s lesser known vises.It"s the model 744 Mechanic"s Vise.The line includes 4",5"and 6" and I got the 4".They"re heavy vises with the 4" being about 36 lbs.They"re 30,000 psi cast but they"re solid.I ordered it from my local hardware store who carries wilton.It was 99.00 (good price).I was warned that it might be made offshore and that is the case.It"s China but the fit and finish is very good.Only downside was some of the powdercoat chipped off (poor bonding but no rust)and the store gave me 20.00 off when I went to complain about it.Not trying to sell anybody on it but it looks to have the same pipe jaws and locking 360 degree base as the Tradesman and it was the best I could find without going totally broke.Well,rambled on enough but wanted to share my findings.

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mike brown

05-23-2005 16:58:22




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 Re: Vises in reply to joe matt, 05-23-2005 16:30:37  
I would look twice at Czech made tools. They have a long history of making quality tools and dies. Thats why Hitler wanted Czechoslovakia. Likely better than Chinese.



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joe matt

05-23-2005 17:38:05




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 Re: Vises in reply to mike brown, 05-23-2005 16:58:22  
I believe the only wilton"s made in the Czech Republic were the small, light duty "super junior" series.They look like a baby Tradesman and weigh about 12-14 lbs and come with a swivel base or clamp on style.With regard to Wilton"s China made vises,I don"t think they have a factory there as the box my vise came in says"Made in China to Wilton specifications".And I saw a "mid-line " vise on Reed"s website that is identical to my Wilton mechanics vise.It"s like the vise manufacturers are "farming out" the lower tiers of their line to overseas factories without having an actual facility there.Now,there"s Bison who makes alot of vises for machine shops and such.They have a line of bench vises that are (or were) made in Poland.Don"t know much beyond this.

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RickB

05-29-2005 06:45:51




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 Re: Vises in reply to joe matt, 05-23-2005 17:38:05  
About a year ago i ordered a bunch of vise jaws from Sears for some Crapsman vises at work. They came in a Wilton bag, and fit perfectly on Craftsman and Columbian vises around the shop.



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