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FarmerDave

05-21-2005 11:15:23




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I am fixin ( Texas Talk ) to reroof the house. I plan to intall a pair of roof anchors near the ends of the ridge. I'd like to stretch a cable, wire rope, between the two of them as part of my fall protection system.

How would you secure the cable to the anchor and what minimum size cable would you think it would take?

BTW, the pitch is seven in twelve.




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wdtom

05-24-2005 17:58:03




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 Re: Cable Fabrication in reply to FarmerDave, 05-21-2005 11:15:23  
Also, use a rip claw hammer, if you start to slide you spin the hammer on it's way to the roof and the theroy is the claws dig into the roof and your death grip on the hammer prevents you from going any more down the roof.



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NC Wayne

05-21-2005 22:49:59




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 Re: Cable Fabrication in reply to FarmerDave, 05-21-2005 11:15:23  
I have to agree with Rod on this one. My brother in law and I sheathed the roof on my shop and then I shingled it alone. It's 20x40 with a 10/12 pitch, and both times I use the same basic method he's describing. My anchor point though was a 440IC Deere. I used a piece of 1/2" braided nylon rope with a couple of strategically placed loops and wore a full fall harness. I simply linked on where ever was closest to where I needed to be and went to work. I used toe boards while laying the shingles so the rope was just for fall protection but when we sheathed it there weren't any toe boards or anything so we were relying solely on the rope for support. In either case I and never had any problems with the rope or anything else supporting my weight or my brother in laws, and he's nearly 6'3" and about 250 lbs. Like all other advice on here, this is what worked for me and may or may not work for you under different conditions. Again I have to agree with Rod that trying to run an anchor down the ridge line doesn't sound too good just because you'd have to have massive anchor points for it to handle the forces applied if you should fall. If I remember right from one of the safety courses I've been to in the past that the average sized person will exert a momentary shock force of nearly 5000 lbs (( yes, five thousand pounds)), to a safety line when they fall and the line catches them. That's one of the reasons you see workers using safety harnesses also using those shock protection devices made of layers of folded and sewed strapping or some tyoe of shock cord material. This allows the persons momentum to be slowed gradually preventing injury to them from the shock as well as reducing the shock load on the safety line. Just keep these things in mind whatever you decide to do, but above all be careful and work safe.

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Rod (NH)

05-21-2005 18:29:36




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 Re: Cable Fabrication in reply to FarmerDave, 05-21-2005 11:15:23  
Hi Dave,

An opinion and a friendly critique:

I take it that the strung cable, gable-to-gable at the ridge, is intended to be tie-off point for a safety harness that slides along the cable as you progress along the roof from one end to the other. If that's true, I don't think it is a good idea at all. The problem comes about with the force during a fall or slide being applied basically perpendicular to the stretched cable. With that arrangement, the tensile load in the cable becomes extremely high for even very mild fall/slide forces. The load transferred to the cable anchor points also becomes excessive and likely would tear out any reasonable means of attaching the anchors to the gable ends or ridge. In other words, your biggest problem is keeping the anchors from tearing out in a fall. I think such an arrangement would be too risky to rely on.

Here's what I have done in the past: Run a rope (I used nylon, 5/8" I think) completely over the ridge and attach it to something substantial that is located at ground level on the opposite side of the roof on which you are working. I used my Oliver 77 drawbar as an anchor. Attach your safety harness to this rope. This arrangement permits any force developed during a fall to be applied directly in tension in the rope and would be much safer, IMO, that the arrangement you describe. If the roof is long, you may have to relocate the tractor once or twice to suit. Of course you want to make sure no idiot starts up the tractor and trucks away with you attached to it.

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FarmerDave

05-22-2005 17:21:01




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 Re: Cable Fabrication in reply to Rod (NH), 05-21-2005 18:29:36  
So you think just tieing your rope to the anchor is a better idea. So one goes a third of the way from the front and the other goes a third from the back. I think the ridge is 44'. If your at 8 o'clock and fall you just swing/slide until you get to six o'clock or the toe board.

I've tied the rope to the tractor to sweep the chimney.

I'm having 2x10 toe boards all the way across the bottom plus the one I'm working on that moves around.

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