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rayland

05-20-2005 19:43:03




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I'm hoping some one can help me with this problem I just had a new ac unit put in my home its a 5 ton but the heater is the old one its a 3 ton all the equipment in the house is old i did clean the a coil really good but it still keeps freezing up are ther any suggstions on what the problem might be before my wife kills me




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Kendall

05-23-2005 09:16:52




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 Re: my home ac unit keeps freezing up in reply to rayland , 05-20-2005 19:43:03  
Since you say you added on to your house and are now up to 2800sf, then 5 ton compressor sounds about right, BUT it aint gonna do any good unless you replace your inside evaporator unit too. It should be a 5 ton evaporator to match your 5 ton compressor unit outside. What you have now will cause excessive head pressure, compressor overload, may trip a breaker, or damage the compressor.



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T_Bone

05-22-2005 18:48:48




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 Re: my home ac unit keeps freezing up in reply to rayland , 05-20-2005 19:43:03  
Hi Ray,

You can't put a 5ton evaporator in a 3ton air handler. As it's been point out your fan alone doesn't have enough CFM for a 5ton evaporator.

Even if you speed up the fan then you will have too much static pressure in the air handler thus create another problem of very turbulant noisey air flow.

Did the installer size the new split system refrigerant lines for the 5ton unit or use the old 3ton lines that are too small?

When you change the condensing unit, most mfg's you now have to change the evaporator coil at the same time as there a matched set, but that still doesn't resolve your problem of too small of air plenum.

Without knowing more info it sounds like you got ripped big time by the installer. If this in fact is true, then he doesn't have enough knowledge to install a completed working sytem so I would get my money back and tell him to come get his equipment, then call a qualified contractor.

T_Bone

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thurlow

05-22-2005 07:08:52




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 Re: my home ac unit keeps freezing up in reply to rayland , 05-20-2005 19:43:03  
Mine froze yesterday; added about 1000 sq ft 8 or 9 years ago; existing 3 and 1/2 ton unit was overloaded, but we made do. Compressor gave it up last Sunday. Local contractor did the math, air flow, no. of bedrooms etc; said we needed 4 tons; gonna have to increase the size of the return air (2 places); get to it the end of this week, but they came Friday and set the new unit so we'd be cool 'til they could complete the job. Was gone yesterday; when we came in the house was hot; no air, though the exhaust fan was running; called 'em, service man was here within a half-hour (Saturday afternoon). Unit was froze up; took him a while to find reason; temporary ductwork between house and unit had collapsed INTERNALLY, couldn't handle the amount of air (return air side). He fixed it and we're cool again.

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matthies

05-21-2005 20:18:25




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 Re: my home ac unit keeps freezing up in reply to rayland , 05-20-2005 19:43:03  
I don't have a new system, but I have a freezeup every year from a low charge. I rent my house and finally (5years) have the landlord convinced he knows little about AC. Last year I told the landlord to have the HVAC guy to put dye in the freon to help this year in finding a leak. You can't believe the electric bill when AC never shuts down. And usually happens when your gone overnight. Haven't run it yet to see how it works yet. chris

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buickanddeere

05-21-2005 17:44:30




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 Re: my home ac unit keeps freezing up in reply to rayland , 05-20-2005 19:43:03  
Is the fan on continuos or cycling with the compressor? A fan that is on 24/7 has a chance to thaw ice when the compressor is off. Some people shove the thermostat down to 55 or 60 thinking it makes the fan and compressor cool the building faster..... ..... ...isn't true. The compressor that never cycles off doesn't get a chance to melt some frost off the coil. Is there any more rpms to be had from the fan motor or pulley? I gave up on the AC with kids in the house. Mine and the neighbours little $%^^%&& would leave doors open or stand in an open doorway to talk to someone. Women are even worse opening a window for "fresh air". The higher humidy in the house made the cool air feel "damp". And the extra humidity made more frost on the evaporator coil. The compressor run time was also extended. Running the AC by day cooling the air and pulling humidity from the house wall,furniture & air. The shutting down the AC at night may feel like you are saving money. Not likely as the AC has to run extra the next day to pull the moisture back out of the house you let in overnight. Outside of desert areas, it takes more power to condense the water/humidity out of the air than it takes to cool the air.

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john in la

05-21-2005 13:03:00




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 Re: my home ac unit keeps freezing up in reply to rayland , 05-20-2005 19:43:03  
Why did you put in a 5 ton when the house works on a 3 ton?
Did you add on?

I think that the others are right in saying your old unit does not move enough air to keep the new unit satisfied.

I also feel that when you get it fixed you may be unhappy but for other reasons.

A trick of the trade is to sell a A/C unit to big for the house.

Yes sir it cost more and I will make me a bigger profit but you will save in the long run in reduced run time and lower electrical bills.

The problem with this statement is a A/C is designed to run for long times. It uses this time to run large amounts of air over the coils and remove humidity from the air. With a system that is to large it cools the house before large amounts of air are moved and you have high humidity problems.

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rayland

05-22-2005 16:36:53




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 Re: my home ac unit keeps freezing up in reply to john in la, 05-21-2005 13:03:00  
yes the house was added onto all the ac people told me taht the 3 ton unit was to small my house is 2800 sq ft and the addon was very hot in the summer and like the south pole in the winter i might have gotten taken



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john in la

05-22-2005 18:52:35




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 Re: my home ac unit keeps freezing up in reply to rayland, 05-22-2005 16:36:53  
Well if you added on you may not have been taken. You may need a 5 ton unit for the extra space. Only a detailed test of window and door area; Kinds of windows and doors used; Amount of insulation; And a general inspection of your ducts and house can answer this question.

I can tell you though..... .....
If your A/C contractor did not do this test and guessed at what size A/C you need based only on your square footage you most likely were taken.

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txgrn

05-22-2005 06:41:04




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 Re: my home ac unit keeps freezing up in reply to john in la, 05-21-2005 13:03:00  
Well said John on both points.

Mark



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pbutler

05-21-2005 06:30:50




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 Re: my home ac unit keeps freezing up in reply to rayland , 05-20-2005 19:43:03  
I assume you checked the filter-a severly plugged filter will cause it due to lack of flow.



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txgrn

05-21-2005 04:57:36




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 Re: my home ac unit keeps freezing up in reply to rayland , 05-20-2005 19:43:03  
Supporting what the other guys said, chillers are designed for about 30 degrees of temp difference between the air across the coil and the refrigerant temp. It's desirable to keep the ref temp just above freezing which would give you a 63 or 64 degree (max-min if you know what I mean)outlet temp....course your house would feel like a meat locker if you didn't have a thermostat to keep it from going to it's max cooling temp.

If the heat load (hot house air) cannot add heat to the air across the coil as fast as the refrigerant is removing it, the ref temp will go below freezing and the condensate (moisture in the air condensing on the cold surfaces of the coil) will also freeze. The more it freezes, the more the air flow is restricted and the less your ability to absorb heat into the fluid and the process snowballs eventually to a solid iced over coil.

You 5 tons is rated at almost twice the air requirement (tons per hour) of your 3 ton. Dunno how you are going to move that much air thru the existing part of your 3 ton system.

You'd have to blow the drapes off the wall to get it right and you don't want that either.

High air velocity is noisy and you aren't supposed to hear your environmental control system; just feel it.

I guess you weren't happy with the cooling of your old unit is why you went with a bigger unit.

My thoughts are to get a 3 ton back in and increase your insulation. The attic is a perfect place to start. Then check for air leaks and stop them, and then, if you have kids, get them to KEEP THE DOORS SHUT.

Good luck.

Mark

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NC Wayne

05-20-2005 22:06:37




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 Re: my home ac unit keeps freezing up in reply to rayland , 05-20-2005 19:43:03  
Old is right, the only things I've ever seen to cause one to freeze up is a low charge or not enough air flow. You say they just installed a new 5 tone unit in place of the origional 3 ton and the way you wrote it it sounds like all that was replaced was the outdoor half of the system. If that was the case then it could very well be that you don't have enough flow with the old blower unit to handle the additional capacity. I had to replace my indoor half about a year ago and the new one was the same size as the old one but the it's rated air flow was greater That said, if you reason it based on the age of different parts, then your old unit probably doesn't have nearly the air flow capacity the larger unit needs. A/C systems are one place where they are constantly making progress at getting more out of less. Have whoever installed it come back out and check things out good. If it is low to have gone that far down in a short period of time there has to be a leak somewhere and they should leak test the system and fix it as a "warranty" repair since it was obviously not right when they installed the system. If there isn't a leak and the charge was just low, then same thing, they should be happy to make it right. Just my .02, hope it helps.

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old

05-20-2005 19:52:02




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 Re: my home ac unit keeps freezing up in reply to rayland , 05-20-2005 19:43:03  
Freeze up is caused by one of 2 things low on freon or not enough air flow.



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