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O.T. Nagging pool line leak

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Rod in Smiths F

05-19-2005 17:00:45




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If readers can explain how to get rid of skunks, I'd like their wisdom on how to find a leak in a return line to our pool. The lines are in ditches cut out of rock, and the decks are concrete. It isn't easy digging the lines out. Three holes so far have produced only one leak, and that in a return line.

I'm losing about half the volume of a garden hose, but only while the skimmer is running.

There has to be more to retirement than lying around a pool, digging gravel out of holes with a trowel.

Oh yeah, I already know the best alternative is to fill it with cement, but the three potential buyers all want the pool...

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Nat

05-22-2005 20:25:49




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 Re: O.T. Nagging pool line leak in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 05-19-2005 17:00:45  
Rod, I installed and repaired pools for 20 years and if it truly is a leak in the line on the pressure side a bottle of Fix-A- Leak will probably stop it. I have found over the years that very few leaks are actually in the lines. Most times as simple as a bad gasket in the multiport valve, some time as complecated as a broken main drain fitting. rarly is it a pipe underground, but as sure as I say it that is what it will be on yours. With the filter bypassed, and the pump running you may be able to hear the leak by using a stethyscope(sp) held on the deck. Most of the time you can hear a gurgling sound. It has worked for me many times. Notice I always say may, might, has in the past? I learned long ago not to say never, or it will, or it won't. Maybe this will help, later, Nat

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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

05-24-2005 18:01:40




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 Re: pool line leak in reply to Nat, 05-22-2005 20:25:49  
I went back to the repaired intake line and did a better job of it, and lo and behold the water level is staying constant now. Mind you I filled the day with digging another dry hole, then trying a pressure test which blew the plug out of the line in the basement and caused a minor flood, but I couldn't get any other leaks in the return line.

So I'll watch the system for a day or two, then think about filling everything back in and mixing up some concrete to restore the decking.

Thanks for all of your advice.

BTW Nat, the pool lady had never heard of Stop Leak even though it is all over the Internet.

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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

05-23-2005 16:53:27




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 Re: O.T. Nagging pool line leak in reply to Nat, 05-22-2005 20:25:49  
You mean the mica stuff you put in a leaky automotive radiator?

Thanks for the suggestion.

I remember fixing a broken line about twenty years ago. It was deep beneath the concrete at a T junction. No fun at all. The same one may have failed due to my bad plumbing.



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Nat

05-23-2005 18:50:00




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 Re: O.T. Nagging pool line leak in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 05-23-2005 16:53:27  
Rod, most any pool supplier will have Fix-A-Leak. It isn't the same stuff as automotive, made for pools. It will only work on the pressure side, not the suction side. The best bet is listening for it. I've found more that way. To see if it really leaking, plug the lines and see if the water level still drops. Most return fittings just screw out and a 1 1/2" pipe plug with teflon tape screwed in is a cheap test, about a buck and a half at Lowes

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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

05-23-2005 20:57:12




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 Re: O.T. Nagging pool line leak in reply to Nat, 05-23-2005 18:50:00  
I don't even need to plug the returns to stop the leak: just turn off the pump.

BTW: I have turned off the bywash drain (which empties into the municipal sewer) and so the water shouldn't be able to escape that way.

I think it pretty well has to be that T-connection, 5 feet below the concrete. I'll block the lines and pump some air into it this week and listen. But first I'll ask my pool lady about the stop-leak.

Thanks.

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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

05-20-2005 04:01:24




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 Re: O.T. Nagging pool line leak in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 05-19-2005 17:00:45  
I've actually tried dowsing on the pipe. I know where it is, just not where it is leaking: as a kid I used to locate wells for people in the community.

The one time about twenty years ago I successfully found a leak a physician friend suggested he would listen with a stethescope while I pumped air through the pipe, so I put plugs in the returns at the pool, took the line off the skimmer, and inserted a plug in the back end with a tire valve added in its centre.

It's a good thing I had my son add the air from the basement while I watched, because I wouldn't have wanted to miss this one: a spectacled, white haired physician on his knees with a stethescope pressed to the concrete, listening. Behind him, a geyser of mud erupted from one of the holes I had cut. The leak was between the holes. The air was effective, and in this case, quite spectacular.

Trouble was the hole was in the pipe almost 5' underground, and my wife had to sit on the back of my knees so that I could reach the fitting to replace it.

I just wish there were an easier way.

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Coldiron

05-20-2005 07:11:09




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 Re: O.T. Nagging pool line leak in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 05-20-2005 04:01:24  
Rod, If you are trying to find the leak just run the water for a while to get a good puddle underground then shut it off. Walk parallel to the pipe and you should pick up the area where the puddle is when you cross it. This has worked for me when I had a leak in a water line to our barn with a 225` run. It sure saved a lot of digging on my part. It would have been rough since the shovel fits my wifes hands a lot better than mine. If you have dowsed before I would bet that you will be able to find it this way.

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Coldiron

05-19-2005 20:48:31




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 Re: O.T. Nagging pool line leak in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 05-19-2005 17:00:45  
Rod, Get an old wire clothes hanger and cut it into two equal pieces. Make a handle 4 1/2 to 5 " long out of the ends of each piece. Bend it at a 90 deg angle to make an L shape. Lighty hold the handles in each hand with the longer pieces sticking straight out to each side away from you with your elbows against your sides, hands straight out. Slowly walk parallel right over the water line and when you start coming close to the leaky area the two ends will start to move to the front of you, When you are right over it the two pieces of wire will cross. OK, stop laughing like I did when I was told this. It will work for probably 80% pf the people that try it. You can find lines that are beneath the ground, cement, or asphalt this way so long as they do not run in the same direction you are walking. A guy that did work on septic tanks taught me and if it doesn`t work for you get a friend to try it.
You guys that doubt it, give it a try too and go over where your water lines are buried. Oh yeah, you may want to do this early some morning before your neighbors get up so they won`t think you are crazy but don`t knock it till you have tried it.

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T_Bone

05-19-2005 19:08:40




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 Re: O.T. Nagging pool line leak in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 05-19-2005 17:00:45  
Hi Rod,

They make a rubber bellows that is for drain cleaning, comes in several pipe sizes.

They work by water pressure. Attach a garden hose to bellows, stick the bellows in the pipe, turn water on thus swelling out the bellows to tight fit the pipe bore, then shoots a pressure water stream to unclog the pipe.

So buy two of them, install bellows in both ends of the pipe, turn the water on, then look for leaks between the bellows.

T_Bone

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dr.sportster

05-19-2005 19:00:36




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 Re: O.T. Nagging pool line leak in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 05-19-2005 17:00:45  
I dont know but I have the exact same problem.The line to the pump will suck air in not leak out but the return becomes water leaking out,as you obviously know.I have a plan to tell my boss I need a chipping gun to break the window out of a manhole at work[half true] then hijack it for the weekend and start chopping up the patio.As it is now I barely have enough energy to make it through the twelve hour workday.In fact its past my bedtime now so Ill reread this tommorow.All I see is water squirting up a small crack.Good luck.

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Michael_E_Tx

05-19-2005 18:38:47




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 Re: O.T. Nagging pool line leak in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 05-19-2005 17:00:45  
Can't be of very much help, but the last place we lived in had a leaky return line on the pool. Turned out it was right at the skimmer. The skimmer body was concrete with a steel/not copper line cast into the bottom. The leak was coming from the space on that line between the concrete and the flexible black line attached to it.



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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

05-28-2005 04:26:34




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  Nagging pool line leak STOPPED in reply to Michael_E_Tx, 05-19-2005 18:38:47  
The pool has held its water now for four or five days without a problem. After a number of dry holes I was forced to conclude that the little leak under the skimmer was the one causing the trouble. I went at it with electrician's tape for a seal, then cinched the soft tape into place with some strong fibreglass-fibre stuff that holds very well. The combination seems to have worked.

I'll give it another week and then mix some cement to cover the dry holes.

Thanks for all of your advice.

Rod

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